There is a rumor that Tesla is responsible for the Tunguska explosion. According to the rumor, he was aiming a broadcast power spike for upstate New York and missed. It went over the pole and hit Tunguska, causing the explosion. Mind you, this is just a rumor.
Engine Room(s) on the TOS Enterprise (revisited)
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There is a rumor that Tesla is responsible for the Tunguska explosion. According to the rumor, he was aiming a broadcast power spike for upstate New York and missed. It went over the pole and hit Tunguska, causing the explosion. Mind you, this is just a rumor.
There's also a rumor going around that the Earth is flat.
Townsend-Brown didn't really discover anything. He thought he found a way to repluse gravity but when it was tested in a vacuum chamber it his "lifters" did not work. They work by using a heavy charge to cause ionic wind to blow past the lifter edges. He thought he had something but he didn't.
Work in progress on the Observation Deck layout. I decided to move the external windows on the Hangar Bay up to be on the Observation Deck level, where they belong. Still using the Sinclair model at 947 feet hull and using a 24 foot shuttle (it is a little cramped, but I made it work.) Designed the starboard internals to match The Conscience of the King for fun. I thought the red security gate would be used to keep unauthorized personnel out of the Flight Deck control booths.
It's interesting that you have placed the COK rooms on the starboard side, since most plans place it on the port, with Kirk and Lenore walking towards the aft of the ship.Work in progress on the Observation Deck layout. I decided to move the external windows on the Hangar Bay up to be on the Observation Deck level, where they belong. Still using the Sinclair model at 947 feet hull and using a 24 foot shuttle (it is a little cramped, but I made it work.) Designed the starboard internals to match The Conscience of the King for fun. I thought the red security gate would be used to keep unauthorized personnel out of the Flight Deck control booths.
If they start the scene by the red security gate, where do you imagine they've been? Or, did they enter from aft and just do a U-turn?
I think the set fits better as I have it laid out. Dimensionally, it fits. Also, the corridor seems to flair open as you look forward, versus, converging if it was on the port side. My thinking is that they came in from the front, walked back to the fence, and turned around to walk back. On the first pass, they were so engrossed in conversation and each other that they didn't look around much or were looking out the hull windows, but on the return pass, Kirk points out the flight deck for a change in conversation.
That's a reasonable assumption. I had covered both directions in one version I built out.
Very nice diagram. When you get all this done please let us know where we can see it. I also thought that they were walking forward in the scene; if Kirk was getting caught-up in his activities with Lenore maybe they went into the observation booth since it was not in use, and were coming back out. before I caught that he mentioned the Shuttlecraft, I thought maybe this scene was in the Dorsal Hull. I mention this because this is how I imagine the Dorsal Hull, mainly just a thin observation area and then some conduits for power supplies, and the shafts for the turborlift and main power intermix conduit path, if there is one.
It's great having access to digital episode replay on-demand, transcripts and HD screen caps from TrekCore. What did we do 30-40 years ago? Probably looked at Franz Joseph drawings...
Fair enough
It still seems a little odd IMO for Kirk to be welcoming Lenore to the Observation Deck when they've already walked through it once, but there is no doubt that the room flairs out towards the camera so this at least provides a solution for that
Maybe they came from below on the flight deck and climbed a ladder or took a lift up to the control booth? That might explain why Lenore was more interested in the ports/windows into space and not those overlooking the flight deck, since she'd just been there done that.
Could be. It seems kinda weird for Kirk to point out the shuttle craft on the flight deck below though. It sounded like it was the first time the shuttle craft were seen.
KIRK: This is the observation deck. That's the flight deck down there with the shuttle craft.
Good point. I guess it all depends on how "Thermionic" you want to be with it regards dialogue vs visuals as to best fit of real world sets to in-universe interiors?
Incidentally, Jefferies' concept sketch for this set shows an "A" from type door, perhaps suggesting a reverse view. Has anyone tried to incorporate this into their schemes?
Incidentally, Jefferies' concept sketch for this set shows an "A" from type door, perhaps suggesting a reverse view. Has anyone tried to incorporate this into their schemes?
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You're right. If you leave out the dialogue then you can do any which way. Can you link to the Jefferies' sketch with the A-type door? Does it go behind the red screen or behind the camera?
The conversation strongly implies they somehow arrived up on the observation deck.
1. Assuming they came through the red gate, this means that the "wall" behind the red gate must not be a solid wall completely to the hull. The prop guys put up a wall to provide a background, but in-universe, the area is large enough to continue the corridor to the second control booth (as I originally laid out before I saw the wall backdrop), or to a ladder for entry from below. I like a ladder climbing scenario; Kirk can check out Lenore from below as she climbs the ladder. He must be giving her the special behind the scenes tour. Remember, he was trying to seduce her to get to her father at this point.
2. It was "night time" lighting, so, the flight deck could have been dark. Kirk goes to the control booth through the red gate to turn on the lights, now, he can give her the above quote as a big reveal. The main purpose of the Observation Deck is to view the flight deck (not external space which would be black with stars in transit). So, Kirk didn't want to first tell her, "This is the observation deck," when there is nothing to observe in the dark. Then say, "Let me run down and turn on the lights." Kirk is too smooth for that poor presentation. A weaker option, but it allows us to speculate on the scene and not on the ship design.
I assume your spell check inserted "A" from for "A" frame. "A" frames would fit fine, maybe better since the curvature of the hull makes the corridor wider at the bottom, same as an "A" frame. I think the odd-shaped doorways and the slanted inbound windows were reused from the Romulan bridge set in The Balance of Terror (Production Order #9 versus #13 for COTK).
Sorry, but I'm not a fan of either placement in your model. It requires a whole new set of windows (yes I've heard that shuttered window are 100% invisible from the outsideYou're right. If you leave out the dialogue then you can do any which way. Can you link to the Jefferies' sketch with the A-type door? Does it go behind the red screen or behind the camera?
), the super odd-angled design which are just too odd to believe, plus, I don't think you give enough credit to the distortion from the wide-angle camera lens in both the corridor or the hangar bay prop model (I heard it was a straight cylinder in real life). Additionally, sets are built at the time to fit cameras and action and not whether they actually fit into an imaginary ship. Hence my layout choices: put the scene near the only available known external windows, and the inside bay is a cylinder which also gives the flaring observation side corridors. My own criticism is needing to move the external windows up to an appropriate height on the smaller 947 foot Enterprise, otherwise the windows are between decks. I still have no idea were the shuttlebay entry door is unless we get rid of all the on-screen views (no two alike, either), or it's mighty big ship. 
Well, I'm having a bit of an issue with my internet today so I can't post the picture I made. But I took the original Jefferies drawings of the Enterprise in profile and the Cross Section along with the most accurate drawing I have of the 11 foot Studio Model and came up with a surprising agreement among them. The two round ports in the hanger area perfectly line up with the observation deck. There is no need to move any of the windows. They just are round on the outside and more squared on the inside.
Also, I would assume that Kirk was walking in from a forward area and the camera is facing forward on the port side of the ship. There really isn't any room to have a walkway to the control booth between the hanger and the outer hull. Also, too much is made of the hanger cross section drawing. That is a drawing of the filming miniature and as such incorporates the forced perspective found in the model. Jefferies cross section of the TOS Enterprise and again of the Phase II Enterprise show his intention, which is a much small hanger located entirely behind the TOS pylons.
Also, I would assume that Kirk was walking in from a forward area and the camera is facing forward on the port side of the ship. There really isn't any room to have a walkway to the control booth between the hanger and the outer hull. Also, too much is made of the hanger cross section drawing. That is a drawing of the filming miniature and as such incorporates the forced perspective found in the model. Jefferies cross section of the TOS Enterprise and again of the Phase II Enterprise show his intention, which is a much small hanger located entirely behind the TOS pylons.
It would of been better if the dialogue was not this:
KIRK: This is the observation deck. That's the flight deck down there with the shuttle craft.
but this:
KIRK: This is the observation deck. We just came from the flight deck down there. See that shuttle craft? We can take it for a little flight around the planet. No one would miss us
Sorry, but I'm not a fan of either placement in your model. It requires a whole new set of windows (yes I've heard that shuttered window are 100% invisible from the outside
Sure, there are many ways to do this. How are you accounting for the different shapes of the ports? The external ports are clearly rectangular but the interior are squares.
Also, the hangar bay/flight deck prop model was in no way a straight cylinder. You must have looked at the photos that are out there and seen it can't be. Here's a reminder showing that it is a tapered cylinder that narrows towards the stern of the ship.
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Go to this page, 3rd row down, 2nd column to see the sketch.
http://www.trekcore.com/specials/thumbnails.php?album=3&page=9
Though upon reviewing it I see I miss-remembered and was thinking of the set from The mark Of Gideon, but still, the "A" frame would still work in the observation Gallery.
And yes, my spell check auto-corrected "frame" and transmorgrafied it into "from" in my previous post.
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