Captain Marvel and the ethics of film criticism.

[Dales]

This movie has mocked up a lot of controversies even before release from brie larson's not so smart comments about ''white males'' and the controversy of rotten tomatoes removing their audience score to combat ''trolls''.
I have been reading some of the reviews and they are not great, not great at all and I am failing to understand how and they they are counting as fresh on RT.

Rumours and conspiracy theories have been around for years that critics have a bias to MCU movies and captain marvel reviews makes it sound even more true. there is just something not right about this movie's reviews and the media conversation. I will list many examples of how critics are calling this movie generic,formula-ish, mediocre but somehow they are all counting as fresh on RT. I genuinely think if this was a DC movie or an X-Men movie they will be as lucky.here are some examples of the supposedly good reviews on captain marvel on RT

''Finally, Women Have Their Own Mediocre Marvel Movie. Captain Marvel is just as formulaic as countless other superhero films. That’s a triumph''.


There is a sense here though that the MCU formula is now being relied upon to paper over some of the cracks in the storytelling.

Praise be to Goose the Cat; I look forward to his inevitable solo film.

She's a welcome addition to the aforementioned Marvel family tree; let's just hope she's given a sturdier branch next time.

Brie Larson was already my hero before Captain Marvel so this only reconfirms the obvious.

Captain Marvel' flies high and fast, but struggles with narrative turbulence.


By now, MCU fans know the drill: stick around for the end credits, and you will not be disappointed.


It's not going out on a limb to say Goose the cat is reason enough to see the movie multiple times. But there are other joys in Captain Marvel. An abundance of them.

Captain Marvel' is Imperfect, Sardonic, and Every Bit the Success it Needed to Be

It is such a shame this film isn't a little better.

Despite its flaws, the film is a decent superhero flick, and has the potential to take off to new heights with more character development.


I'm here for Higher, Further, Faster but maybe not so fast. [Captain Marvel] seems to service the upcoming Avengers: Endgame more than it does the character herself.


It's fun! A lot of fun...sometimes too much fun. But doesn't stick the "origin story in the thick of it" film that Deadpool did. I wish the film had just picked a tone and stuck with it.

The girl power (and grrl power) ring out loud and clear, if a bit hollow.

Without qualification, Captain Marvel is a brilliant, blazing success and the perfect lead-in to the Avenger's Endgame.


The Marvel Cinematic Universe's first woman-driven movie has taken much too long to arrive. That it is here at all is cause for celebration. A pity then that it sticks to the tried and tested.

Brie Larson as Captain Marvel makes comic book movie history but this superhero adventures feels awfully familiar in every other way.

Even when mindless digital mayhem threatens to swamp the movie, there's always a complex narrative point.

This good reviews are all superficial at best, the reviews seem absent on story telling, screenplay, cinematography, editing, directing. there is little subtenancy in this reviews. its like none of this things matter. so what kind of criticism are we dealing with? clearly nothing that has to do with what we usually thinks makes a great film.

As I said the this supposedly good reviews are not actually good ,I cant see any other film that can get away with this but a MCU movie. The context of this reviews is weaker than Aquaman and more on par with justice league but the RT score fails to be reflecting this reality.

With everything that has happened over the years with Last Jedi,RT removing audience anticipation rating just to protect captain marvel even Black Panther declared as the best reviewed film of all time with how predictable the plot was and the bad CGI effects of the film. critics no longer have any credibility when it comes to MCU movies, it also make me wonder just how much power disney has and is it too much?

 

[OCD Geek]

 

[Gov Kodos]

This movie has mocked up a lot of controversies even before release from brie larson's not so smart comments about ''white males'' and the controversy of rotten tomatoes removing their audience score to combat ''trolls''.
I have been reading some of the reviews and they are not great, not great at all and I am failing to understand how and they they are counting as fresh on RT.

Rumours and conspiracy theories have been around for years that critics have a bias to MCU movies and captain marvel reviews makes it sound even more true. there is just something not right about this movie's reviews and the media conversation. I will list many examples of how critics are calling this movie generic,formula-ish, mediocre but somehow they are all counting as fresh on RT. I genuinely think if this was a DC movie or an X-Men movie they will be as lucky.here are some examples of the supposedly good reviews on captain marvel on RT

''Finally, Women Have Their Own Mediocre Marvel Movie. Captain Marvel is just as formulaic as countless other superhero films. That’s a triumph''.


There is a sense here though that the MCU formula is now being relied upon to paper over some of the cracks in the storytelling.

Praise be to Goose the Cat; I look forward to his inevitable solo film.

She's a welcome addition to the aforementioned Marvel family tree; let's just hope she's given a sturdier branch next time.

Brie Larson was already my hero before Captain Marvel so this only reconfirms the obvious.

Captain Marvel' flies high and fast, but struggles with narrative turbulence.


By now, MCU fans know the drill: stick around for the end credits, and you will not be disappointed.


It's not going out on a limb to say Goose the cat is reason enough to see the movie multiple times. But there are other joys in Captain Marvel. An abundance of them.

Captain Marvel' is Imperfect, Sardonic, and Every Bit the Success it Needed to Be

It is such a shame this film isn't a little better.

Despite its flaws, the film is a decent superhero flick, and has the potential to take off to new heights with more character development.


I'm here for Higher, Further, Faster but maybe not so fast. [Captain Marvel] seems to service the upcoming Avengers: Endgame more than it does the character herself.


It's fun! A lot of fun...sometimes too much fun. But doesn't stick the "origin story in the thick of it" film that Deadpool did. I wish the film had just picked a tone and stuck with it.

The girl power (and grrl power) ring out loud and clear, if a bit hollow.

Without qualification, Captain Marvel is a brilliant, blazing success and the perfect lead-in to the Avenger's Endgame.


The Marvel Cinematic Universe's first woman-driven movie has taken much too long to arrive. That it is here at all is cause for celebration. A pity then that it sticks to the tried and tested.

Brie Larson as Captain Marvel makes comic book movie history but this superhero adventures feels awfully familiar in every other way.

Even when mindless digital mayhem threatens to swamp the movie, there's always a complex narrative point.

This good reviews are all superficial at best, the reviews seem absent on story telling, screenplay, cinematography, editing, directing. there is little subtenancy in this reviews. its like none of this things matter. so what kind of criticism are we dealing with? clearly nothing that has to do with what we usually thinks makes a great film.

As I said the this supposedly good reviews are not actually good ,I cant see any other film that can get away with this but a MCU movie. The context of this reviews is weaker than Aquaman and more on par with justice league but the RT score fails to be reflecting this reality.

With everything that has happened over the years with Last Jedi,RT removing audience anticipation rating just to protect captain marvel even Black Panther declared as the best reviewed film of all time with how predictable the plot was and the bad CGI effects of the film. critics no longer have any credibility when it comes to MCU movies, it also make me wonder just how much power disney has and is it too much?

No.

 

[Dales]

No.

No? but without a substance reply to what I said? that seems like yes to me. its not like I made any of it up. things seem weird with the reviews, I was only Pointing that out.

look at the mary sue review:https://www.themarysue.com/captain-marvel-men-negative-eyerollllll/

''Captain Marvel Is Fun and Most of the Negative Reviews Are Written by Men … Shocking''.

This surely can't be a serious review? same goes to most of the reviews to this film.

A movie been fun does not make it good if the screenplay and directing is far from good.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Is this going to be like “ethics” in game journalism? Because this whole thing reeks of sexist men angry that women are taking away comic movies.

 

[Dales]

Is this going to be like “ethics” in game journalism? Because this whole thing reeks of sexist men angry that women are taking away comic movies.

I can't say for game journalism but credible journalism and so far the reviews don't seem as such. credible journalism is suppose to be objective and fair and balanced, I am not seeing that with the captain marvel reviews.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I can't say for game journalism but credible journalism and so far the reviews don't seem as such. credible journalism is suppose to be objective and fair and balanced, I am not seeing that with the captain marvel reviews.

So it’s the exact same thing. Thought so. Reviews by their very definition are never going to be objective, you’re reading a subjective opinion. Unless you’re an alien and just got here, if so welcome to Earth, you should have figured that out by now. Objective reviews are an impossible thing. You’d just be describing what a film is. But all film viewing is subjective and at times deeply personal experience.

 

[Dales]

So it’s the exact same thing. Thought so. Reviews by their very definition are never going to be objective, you’re reading a subjective opinion. Unless you’re an alien and just got here, if so welcome to Earth, you should have figured that out by now. Objective reviews are an impossible thing. You’d just be describing what a film is. But all film viewing is subjective and at times deeply personal experience.

movies can be reviewed objectively, they usually are but not anymore given the political climate or how powerful movie studios are becoming. for instance, if I bring you two movies let me say the dark knight and batman and robin there will be sound logical reasons that shows why tdk is better than batman and robin objectively.

when you say movies cant be reviewed objectively it kinds of obliterates the point of an educational system. I mean how subjective is it to know why a student wrote an essay and got an A and the other got a D? no, there are sound reasons that will explain why and this is where objective criticism comes in same goes for movies.

the movie is not been reviewed objectively, if anything that harms the movie more. in fact some critics are admitting the movie is generic at best, so why are they giving it a pass? generic essays gets you a failing grade of D. if a student wrote an essay and is generic, that should get a D but the teacher decides to give the student an A grade just because she is beautiful, that looses credibility and it becomes subjective. that is what is going on with captain marvel reviews.

this kind of reminds me of black panther when people said the story was formulaic in plot and the cgi effects were bad, they were quickly called racists, forgetting many movies including may comic films have also received the same criticism from an objective stand point.

 

[Gov Kodos]

I can't say for game journalism but credible journalism and so far the reviews don't seem as such. credible journalism is suppose to be objective and fair and balanced, I am not seeing that with the captain marvel reviews.

No, your opinion of reviews, which are themselves subjective opinion, is even more worthless. Having seen the movie twice, it's a great film. A lot of reviews say that, too. Try seeing it for yourself and thinking for yourself. It is an empowering experience.

 

[Dales]

No, your opinion of reviews, which are themselves subjective opinion, is even more worthless. Having seen the movie twice, it's a great film. A lot of reviews say that, too. Try seeing it for yourself and thinking for yourself. It is an empowering experience.

I am thinking for myself, reason why I questioned the supposedly good reviews which are indeed kind of bad. since reviews are supposed to tell us by default the movie is good from an artistic stand point.

Also this is not about me as a user of trek bbs and my opinion, this is about critics reviews, supposedly professional critics reviews.

If you have seen the movie twice and is awesome that is fine but at the same time I am very much aware of how passionate fans can be to a series they like a lot and will defend till the end.

and that is the problem, a lot of reviews are not calling it great they are mixed at best I have even posted it here on this forum which is why this thread exist to ask why the movie is getting a pass when the reviews seem sub par at best.most movies dont get good reviews if the critics are calling it sub-par or average.

 

[Awesome Possum]

movies can be reviewed objectively, they usually are but not anymore given the political climate or how powerful movie studios are becoming. for instance, if I bring you two movies let me say the dark knight and batman and robin there will be sound logical reasons that shows why tdk is better than batman and robin objectively.

when you say movies cant be reviewed objectively it kinds of obliterates the point of an educational system. I mean how subjective is it to know why a student wrote an essay and got an A and the other got a D? no, there are sound reasons that will explain why and this is where objective criticism comes in same goes for movies.

the movie is not been reviewed objectively, if anything that harms the movie more. in fact some critics are admitting the movie is generic at best, so why are they giving it a pass? generic essays gets you a failing grade of D. if a student wrote an essay and is generic, that should get a D but the teacher decides to give the student an A grade just because she is beautiful, that looses credibility and it becomes subjective. that is what is going on with captain marvel reviews.

this kind of reminds me of black panther when people said the story was formulaic in plot and the cgi effects were bad, they were quickly called racists, forgetting many movies including may comic films have also received the same criticism from an objective stand point.

You’re not making any sense. Saying a movie is better or worse than another is subjective, I don’t think you understand what subjective and objective means. You’re just repeating something you read.

 

[Dales]

You’re not making any sense. Saying a movie is better or worse than another is subjective, I don’t think you understand what subjective and objective means. You’re just repeating something you read.

Oh dear, did you miss my good examples of subjective and objective. This is what it means.

objective tells you by sound and logical reasons, the difference between The dark knight and batman and robin or the difference between an A or D essay in school.

subjective makes things more personal or not fair, for instance a student wrote a poor essay but got a high pass mark because the teacher has a crush on her or critics admitting captain marvel is a generic movie but gives it a pass mark because she is woman or because its an mcu movie.
subjective.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

So, this is a thread pushing conspiracy theories, rumors, and fabricated controversies, and the OP is trying to tell us which reviews aren't serious without actually having seen the movie himself? Joy.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Oh dear, did you miss my good examples of subjective and objective. This is what it means.

objective tells you by sound and logical reasons, the difference between The dark knight and batman and robin or the difference between an A or D essay in school.

subjective makes things more personal or not fair, for instance a student wrote a poor essay but got a high pass mark because the teacher has a crush on her or critics admitting captain marvel is a generic movie but gives it a pass mark because she is woman or because its an mcu movie.
subjective.

No, not at all. Objective is related to hard facts. Batman and Robin stars George Clooney as Batman. Whether it was good or bad is entirely subjective, for example my mother loves it because she likes George Clooney and it’s all she knows about Batman.

 

[Dales]

No, not at all. Objective is related to hard facts. Batman and Robin stars George Clooney as Batman. Whether it was good or bad is entirely subjective, for example my mother loves it because she likes George Clooney and it’s all she knows about Batman.

objective is about hard facts, sure. the hard facts that can show you a movie that has

better plot
better editing
better cgi
better cinematography
better direction
better performance from the actors.

if movies are objective,there will be no need for film schools or actual reviews , the reviewer wants you to trust.
TDK by hard facts is better. your mum loving george are not hard facts to prove the movie is better. what proves tdk is better is what I listed. (cgi, cinematography, plot, directing) so in a way you are agreeing with me when I said if a teacher gives a students an A just because she is beautiful then it is not hard facts she wrote a good essay.

I dont know you personally so I will just assume you finished high school and maybe went to college.

have you ever written two essays and you got an A and then D. tell me why did your essay grade vary, also let me assume the D you got was objective, which is should be from an honest academic marking standpoint. you took it to the school board and ask for a review and an external maker but the external marker still gave you the same D.
now what was the hard facts on the difference between your D essay and A graded essay?

or is school just surjective and it does not matter when you get an A or an F? or a GPA of 4.0 and 2.0

Are you saying there are no hard facts to how and why people end up with those scores in school? if you cant say that then you cant say that for film reviews. this is the reason many movies have good and bad reviews.

captain marvel is a film with mostly mediocre reviews but getting a pass mark for subjective reason like we like brie larson. credible reviews are meant to be objective.

I liked gorge but batman and robin did no good for his career there are objective hard facts to say so and even george himself called it a misstep in his career for hard fact objective reasons.

 

[Jayson1]

I guess I should bring up one of the big reasons movies often get negative reviews is because people like negative reviews better. There more fun to read or watch. People didn't watch "Siskel and Ebbert" to see them getting along. They liked the conflict and people like seeing someone trash a movie if they do it in a creative way. Movie Reviews are often just another form of entertainment so it's not like they are all that important one way or another except maybe exposing lower budget Indie type of films to people who might not be aware of them. "Captain Marvel" is one of those movies that is critic proof so there is no reasons to get to concerned about the reviews other looking at them with mild interest.


Jason

 

[Awesome Possum]

objective is about hard facts, sure. the hard facts that can show you a movie that has

better plot
better editing
better cgi
better cinematography
better direction
better performance from the actors.

if movies are objective,there will be no need for film schools or actual reviews , the reviewer wants you to trust.
TDK by hard facts is better. your mum loving george are not hard facts to prove the movie is better. what proves tdk is better is what I listed. (cgi, cinematography, plot, directing) so in a way you are agreeing with me when I said if a teacher gives a students an A just because she is beautiful then it is not hard facts she wrote a good essay.

I dont know you personally so I will just assume you finished high school and maybe went to college.

have you ever written two essays and you got an A and then D. tell me why did your essay grade vary, also let me assume the D you got was objective, which is should be from an honest academic marking standpoint. you took it to the school board and ask for a review and an external maker but the external marker still gave you the same D.
now what was the hard facts on the difference between your D essay and A graded essay?

or is school just surjective and it does not matter when you get an A or an F? or a GPA of 4.0 and 2.0

Are you saying there are no hard facts to how and why people end up with those scores in schol? if you cant say that then you cant say that for film reviews. this is the reason many movies have good and bad reviews.

captain marvel is a film with mostly mediocre reviews but getting a pass mark for subjective reason like we like brie larson. credible reviews are meant to be objective.

I liked gorge but batman and robin did no good for his career there are objective hard facts to say so and even george himself called it a mistep in his career.

Saying it’s better is entirely subjective though. Do you understand that your opinion is just your personal feelings on it? That they are not facts, even if most of the population agrees with you? Comparing it to grades in school doesn’t work because you can’t give your test to other teachers and get different scores. You either did or didn’t pass. Movies are good or bad depending on personal preference.

 

[Gov Kodos]

objective is about hard facts, sure. the hard facts that can show you a movie that has

better plot
better editing
better cgi
better cinematography
better direction
better performance from the actors.

if movies are objective,there will be no need for film schools or actual reviews , the reviewer wants you to trust.
TDK by hard facts is better. your mum loving george are not hard facts to prove the movie is better. what proves tdk is better is what I listed. (cgi, cinematography, plot, directing) so in a way you are agreeing with me when I said if a teacher gives a students an A just because she is beautiful then it is not hard facts she wrote a good essay.

I dont know you personally so I will just assume you finished high school and maybe went to college.

have you ever written two essays and you got an A and then D. tell me why did your essay grade vary, also let me assume the D you got was objective, which is should be from an honest academic marking standpoint. you took it to the school board and ask for a review and an external maker but the external marker still gave you the same D.
now what was the hard facts on the difference between your D essay and A graded essay?

or is school just surjective and it does not matter when you get an A or an F? or a GPA of 4.0 and 2.0

Are you saying there are no hard facts to how and why people end up with those scores in schol? if you cant say that then you cant say that for film reviews. this is the reason many movies have good and bad reviews.

captain marvel is a film with mostly mediocre reviews but getting a pass mark for subjective reason like we like brie larson. credible reviews are meant to be objective.

I liked gorge but batman and robin did no good for his career there are objective hard facts to say so and even george himself called it a mistep in his career.

That's a lot of hot air, not to mention bad grammar and spelling for someone pulling the education card, to say nothing to the point. Your ignorance of the film due to not having seen it makes your uninspired screed sound less than valid.

 

[Dales]

Saying it’s better is entirely subjective though. Do you understand that your opinion is just your personal feelings on it? That they are not facts, even if most of the population agrees with you? Comparing it to grades in school doesn’t work because you can’t give your test to other teachers and get different scores. You either did or didn’t pass. Movies are good or bad depending on personal preference.

sigh you are making it about my opinions but this was not about my opinions, these was about professional critics. if i was your friend in school i can have an opinion as your friend the teacher should not have given you a D. does not change the hard facts the teacher who is a professional education officer gave you a D and can prove why you deserved the score with hard facts.

I know it is of fact that the slate review that admits the movie is generic and mediocre can and should not be a pass mark. that is fact because being generic and being mediocre are not synonyms for good. at least in the factual English dictionary. but it gets a pass from slate all because the movie lead is a woman?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Trustworthy reviewers live at trusted places.

Untrustworthy reviewers live at untrustworthy places.

If you can't tell the difference between trustworthy and untrustworthy, then stay in the shallow end of everything.

I want a new cut of the movie with more Gemma Chan.