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MLB Offseason 2018-19: SIGN KIMBREL AND KEUCHEL YOU FUCKS

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Wanting six years and a hundred-million dollars? I'm not. His numbers are sliding. Maybe a three year deal along the lines of $45 million.

I'm not sure he's worth that. He should have cost them the ALDS against the Yankees last year. The Red Sox knew that and pretty much benched him the rest of the play-offs.
 
I'm not sure he's worth that. He should have cost them the ALDS against the Yankees last year. The Red Sox knew that and pretty much benched him the rest of the play-offs.

Pitchers are going to go through rough streaks. I think three years is a good bet to get the money's worth out of Kimbrel, either as a closer or a setup guy. Any GM that signs him for six years needs to get his head checked.
 
Pitchers are going to go through rough streaks. I think three years is a good bet to get the money's worth out of Kimbrel, either as a closer or a setup guy. Any GM that signs him for six years needs to get his head checked.

I'm pretty much the most pro-labor guy on the face of the planet, but closers are so fungible that it's insane to sign them to long-term contracts. A classic example is Jason Isringhausen, whose arm fell off in St. Louis, proving that the A's sold high at precisely the right time. Papelbon and Jim Johnson--woof--also come immediately to mind. There are outliers, like Mo Rivera, who perform at an elite level for a prolonged period of time, but a closer is possibly the riskiest investment in baseball.
 
Isn't Kimbrel one of those outliers? He has been maybe the best closer for many years in the game.


Jason
 
Isn't Kimbrel one of those outliers? He has been maybe the best closer for many years in the game.


Jason

Still doesn't mean you hand him six years and a hundred-million dollars. The days of older players getting massive long-term deals is mostly over in the days of analytics. Which is why the Players Union needs to go for much higher minimum salaries, an overall revenue floor and earlier free agency.

And get a living wage for minor league players.
 
Breaking: Harper to Philadelphia, 13 / 330.

And there are no opt-outs. He's 26, so that's almost certainly a career-length contract.
 
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That contract is insane for Harper. Mike Trout is going to get a lot of money when he's up, unless the sport goes on strike and stuff like this gets renegotiated in a new CBA.
 
That contract is insane for Harper. Mike Trout is going to get a lot of money when he's up, unless the sport goes on strike and stuff like this gets renegotiated in a new CBA.

Dude gets on-base at a nearly .400 clip, that's a ridiculous asset no matter how you slice it. The only red flag on Harper is his injury history.

Trout is a once-in-a-lifetime player. He'll get $400 million if the MLBPA gets out of this shitstorm of a CBA.
 
Breaking: Harper to Philadelphia, 13 / 330.

And there are no opt-outs. He's 26, so that's almost certainly a career-length contract.

I would've expected a much higher AAV than what he ended up with.
 
Dude gets on-base at a nearly .400 clip, that's a ridiculous asset no matter how you slice it. The only red flag on Harper is his injury history.

Trout is a once-in-a-lifetime player. He'll get $400 million if the MLBPA gets out of this shitstorm of a CBA.

I was looking at the length and the whole no opt out thing. I'm really surprised there are no opt outs.
 
I would've expected a much higher AAV than what he ended up with.

Collusion, bro. There is no other logical explanation for two generational talents to have been unsigned until after camps opened, especially after a year in which the league made more money than it ever has in its history. The stove was cold last year, but it was freezing this year. Harper is going to be making less in AAV than Pujols and Arenado.
 
Collusion, bro.

I really don't think it is collusion, at least of a type that could ever be proven. The players have given the owners a massive out by either "rebuilding" or staying under the luxury tax threshold, and not requiring that revenue sharing money be spent on players.

Salaries are going to be depressed when two-thirds of the teams really aren't competing for talent and don't have to under the collective bargaining agreement.

And that doesn't even account for analytics which is devaluing older players.
 
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I really don't think it is collusion, at least of a type that could ever be proven. The players have given the owners a massive out by either "rebuilding" or staying under the luxury tax threshold, and not requiring that revenue sharing money be spent on players.

Salaries are going to be depressed when two-thirds of the teams really aren't competing for talent and don't have to under the collective bargaining agreement.

And that doesn't even account for analytics which is devaluing older players.


I agree. I mean if half of the teams can't spend and the other half already have big time talent then their is no reason to break the bank. I mean just look at the Yankee's. You would think they would be a team that would be after Harper but they don't need to because they have Judge and Stanton. If Harper wants to play for them then he has to more on their terms.

I think a salary cap with a floor as to how low your budget can go would help things like in the NFL or NBA. Older players might still not get top dollar anymore because nobody would want to be stuck with them on their cap when they no longer perform but you could do things to help that like make it possible to remove one player you cut from the cap like in the NBA.

Jason
 
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