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How do you rate "Black Panther"?

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I'm thrilled to see Black Panther get the Best Picture nomination, but this always confuses me, how can a movie be the best picture, but not have the best director, the best script, or any of the best actors/actresses? If a movie is the best overall movie, wouldn't at least a few of those things also be the best of the year? It's kind of hard to have the best picture without it having the best director, script, and/or cast.
This is not a rip on Black Panther, I've seen this happen with other movie in the past and it's always really confused me.
 
JD said:
I'm thrilled to see Black Panther get the Best Picture nomination, but this always confuses me, how can a movie be the best picture, but not have the best director, the best script, or any of the best actors/actresses? If a movie is the best overall movie, wouldn't at least a few of those things also be the best of the year? It's kind of hard to have the best picture without it having the best director, script, and/or cast.
This is not a rip on Black Panther, I've seen this happen with other movie in the past and it's always really confused me.
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A movie can often be better than the sum of it's parts...
 
JD said:
I'm thrilled to see Black Panther get the Best Picture nomination, but this always confuses me, how can a movie be the best picture, but not have the best director, the best script, or any of the best actors/actresses? If a movie is the best overall movie, wouldn't at least a few of those things also be the best of the year? It's kind of hard to have the best picture without it having the best director, script, and/or cast.
This is not a rip on Black Panther, I've seen this happen with other movie in the past and it's always really confused me.
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"The whole is greater than the sums of its parts."
 
JD said:
I'm thrilled to see Black Panther get the Best Picture nomination, but this always confuses me, how can a movie be the best picture, but not have the best director, the best script, or any of the best actors/actresses? If a movie is the best overall movie, wouldn't at least a few of those things also be the best of the year?
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Some years ago, back when Billy Crystal was hosting the show, in one of his big production numbers, referred to a movie that had been nominated for Best Picture that year, but it's director snubbed, as "the movie that directed itself". :)

I can see a Best Pic nominees’ script and actors not getting nominations, but it really is hard to see how that picture's director can be ignored. Even without final cut, a movie is almost always the director's vision. Even with a less than stellar script and pedestrian actors, a great director can produce a pertty good movie. But these things happen, and like I said before, the Best Director category is the most 'snobby"of all the categories.

The fact that Spielberg and Scorsese have only two Best Director Oscars between them is proof enough of the difficulty in getting the BD nomination, let alone winning. That Cuaron is about to win his second says some pretty incredible things about the respect the BD voters have for his talent.

I think Coogler definitely deserved a BD nom for BP. I'de be casting some serious side eye if Bradley Cooper had gotten a nomination.
 
JD said:
I'm thrilled to see Black Panther get the Best Picture nomination, but this always confuses me, how can a movie be the best picture, but not have the best director, the best script, or any of the best actors/actresses? If a movie is the best overall movie, wouldn't at least a few of those things also be the best of the year? It's kind of hard to have the best picture without it having the best director, script, and/or cast.
This is not a rip on Black Panther, I've seen this happen with other movie in the past and it's always really confused me.
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I love Chadwick Boseman's acceptance speech:

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The backstage interview is worth watching, too:

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Kane_Steel said:
Okay damn. Black Panther won the SAG awards for best stunts, but more importantly Best Ensemble Cast.

50% of the winners of this go on to win Best Picture at the Oscars!

Shits getting real.
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I didn't know that particular SAG award was so predictive, but I looked it up and you're right, at least for the last two decades. Still, I will be shocked if Best Picture doesn't go to Roma or The Favourite.

crookeddy said:
One of the worst snubs in history for best stunts not to go to MI: Fallout.
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Even though I haven't even seen any of those films (except the first), I agree that it's kind of crazy that Cruise didn't win for best stunts for Fallout considering what I've seen in the trailers. The man broke his foot for one of them and they used that shot in the final cut for crying out loud!
 
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The Nth Doctor said:
Even though I haven't even seen any of those films (except the first), I agree that it's kind of crazy that Cruise didn't win for best stunts for Fallout considering what I've seen in the trailers. The man broke his foot for one of them and they used that shot in the final cut for crying out loud!
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He also made a high altitude skydive and bugee jumped off a helicopter. In between these things there were also fight scenes no worse than anything in BP. MI:F was a stunt masterclass.
 
The Nth Doctor said:
I love Chadwick Boseman's acceptance speech:

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Other than "Lift Every Voice and Sing" (called the "negro national anthem"), you'd be hard pressed to find a more meaningful song to black people than "To Be Young Gifted and Black". The song was co-written by Nina Simone and was inspired by her friend, Larraine Hansbury (A Raisin in the Sun), and I think applies perfectly to Ryan Coogler and most of the cast, though some aren't that young or that black (:)).

I like that the cast appears to be keeping things in perspective.The movie is culturally important to the cultures of black people and other POC as well as the larger culture, but is not considered something that is going to redirect race relations in America or anywhere else.

I'm still not seeing BP winning the Best Picture Oscar, but who knows, stranger things have happened.
 
crookeddy said:
He also made a high altitude skydive and bugee jumped off a helicopter. In between these things there were also fight scenes no worse than anything in BP. MI:F was a stunt masterclass.
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Yeah, there's that, too. The crazy shit he pulls deserves all the awards even if his acting is very, well, Tom Cruise.
 
Two Oscars so far... I think this is the most ever for a superhero movie?

Superman 78 didn't win any, and Batman 89 only won 1... There is also the famous Suicide Squad win :)
 
Oscars in costuming, production design, and score, were great, especially considering that the two people whose visions were being celebrated were black women. I was holding out hope that All the Stars might win Best Song, but i knew it was hopeless considering the momentum built by The Lady Gaga song.

I wsn't at all disappointed that BP didn't win Best Pic, but I was surprised and disappointed that the loathsome Green Book won.
 
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