Discovery's Reception

[Novarcharesk]

I think it's well known by now that DIS has a rather divisive reputation, even with its grand upgrade in the second season.

One thing I'd like to know is why such vitriol and hatred surrounds it. I'm not saying everyone has to like DIS. There are some that hate DS9 when i like it the most, but the emotional, illogical and irrational BS that plagues the internet about DIS is almost like I'm in the twilight zone.

Where are these people getting such psychotic hatred of this show? Again, I don't think DIS is perfect, but when psycho hose beast red haired crazies have apocalyptic analyses one after the other, how do these people convince themselves of this?

 

[Spider]

Star Trek fans are weird. I know, because I'm one of them.

 

[somebuddyX]

Does it matter? If you can't understand for yourself why people may not like the show, what good does someone spelling it out to you do. People not liking or hating new Trek has been going on since (probably) TMP and most definitely TWOK. It happens with every new TV show, every new iteration. Some people are reasonable about it and some are just dicks. We saw and still see this vitriol expressed at JJ Trek and Enterprise and Voyager. It's nothing new.

 

[PiotrB]

Where are these people getting such psychotic hatred of this show? Again, I don't think DIS is perfect, but when psycho hose beast red haired crazies have apocalyptic analyses one after the other, how do these people convince themselves of this?

My theory is that they watch a different version of this series. Seriously, the most fierce haters simply don't watch this series, but learn about it from several manipulative sources of information. For example, the most recent example of such a source, i.e. an article criticizing Burnham, which is based on such a manipulated image of this character in the MU plot from the first season:

On such a manipulated image of this character, the author built a long article justifying his hatred for this character and the whole series. These theses were then sent to the haters and were propagated in their bubble in social media. The previous series were fortunate enough to have been written in an era without social media.

 

[Infern0]

We are in an age that is obsessed with identity politics.

You have two extremes at war, the alt-right crew who get enraged at anything that calls itself progressive and then on the other side the extreme left who will champion anything that calls itself progressive.

Both sides regardless of quality.

In all honestly I don't see how discovery is any more progressive than say DS9 (which dealt with religious tolerance, transgender and LGBT issues and the civil rights movement) or Voyager (which had a faultless female lead and diverse cast)

But anyway that's where the hate comes from its a bunch of scared alt rights who think white guys are gonna get marginalized. And Discovery plays the diversity card which winds them up even more.

Also Pike is a direct result of all of this he's there to be the straight white male captain to placate the angries. Nothing against pike or Anson mount I think he's a super cool guy. But he is the "token straight white guy" in this show.

 

[Infern0]

My theory is that they watch a different version of this series. Seriously, the most fierce haters simply don't watch this series, but learn about it from several manipulative sources of information. For example, the most recent example of such a source, i.e. an article criticizing Burnham, which is based on such a manipulated image of this character in the MU plot from the first season:

On such a manipulated image of this character, the author built a long article justifying his hatred for this character and the whole series. These theses were then sent to the haters and were propagated in their bubble in social media. The previous series were fortunate enough to have been written in an era without social media.

Honestly I just don't find Burnham that interesting.

It's like if Voyagers main character was Harry Kim

Now I like Harry Kim, he's a nice guy but I don't want every episode to be a harry Kim episode because he's nice but a bit dull.

Same with Burnham she's just fine as part of an ensemble cast but when every other main character in the show has more charisma ....

It's like can we get a Burnham goes on vacation episode where we just have tilly, stamets and Culber running around causing mischief because that'd be FUN

 

[Phily B]

Every single series except for TOS, for obvious reasons, has had negative reactions from the fanbase. You could copy and paste the criticisms for Disc not being "real Trek" to TNG, Enterprise and DS9.

 

[Elephant999]

I see the main gripes from people, as Burnham being the central character and “not being real Trek”. I’m a TNG and DS9 fan and have only started watching (binging) Discovery, and I like it and find it entertaining. Yes, Burnham’s monologues may not to be my taste but I can get past that. Some people have to critique everything to death.

 

[BillJ]

One thing I'd like to know is why such vitriol and hatred surrounds it.

I don't hate it, I actually find season two a marginal upgrade at this point. But, I find the show bland and uninspired overall.

 

[Lord Garth]

Dislcaimer: I'm only talking about the Alt-Right below. If anyone in particular reading doesn't like Discovery but isn't Alt-Right, I'm not talking about you.

But anyway that's where the hate comes from its a bunch of scared alt rights who think white guys are gonna get marginalized. And Discovery plays the diversity card which winds them up even more.

It exposes their double-standards if they liked DS9 or VOY. Or, at the very least, it exposes how much right-wing media and increased polarization in general have effected their judgment and how they have to compartmentalize and rationalize how they like older series compared to whatever's out now.

Also Pike is a direct result of all of this he's there to be the straight white male captain to placate the angries. Nothing against pike or Anson mount I think he's a super cool guy. But he is the "token straight white guy" in this show.

As I expected, they're still not placated. How dare Pike take Burnham and Saru's advice? How dare he take any of his crew's input into consideration when making a decision?

They didn't want Pike to be a leader. They wanted him to be a boss. And there's a difference between being a leader that people look up to and just being a boss who people have to listen to just because they're in charge.

They wanted a boss to put all those "girls, gays, and betas" in their place, as if they wouldn't be able to function if he weren't there. But they can, and they will after Pike goes back to the Enterprise.

 

[Dukhat]

I like DSC. I think it totally fails as a prequel to TOS, but just judging the show on its own merits, it's not bad. Definitely miles better than ENT. But I also think that at least the first season suffered from what basically the entire series of ENT suffered from: the producers weren't actually sure just what the show was supposed to be about.

 

[Cyrus]

This happened with TNG and all the subsequent series too. And yes we did have internet when TNG started. There was no World Wide Web and social media but there were internet discussion groups for detractors to vent.

Not a big deal, just have to learn to ignore it. I have become a master of that by now. As long as you enjoy the show it doesn’t matter if there is a group that hates it. And no doubt the era of alt right and Trump has made things worse for a show with a diverse cast.

 

[Alan Roi]

I will confess that I to have had problems with new Trek in the past, especially with regards to prequels and reboots. As they had seemed to some respect a game of one-upmanship and attempts at burying the past.

As someone who grew up watching TOS, I found the distain directed at TOS from TNG to be somewhat annoying at times, While I did enjoy DS9 for the most part, I found its view of TOS to be seen through a fan's eyes, rose tinted and revisionist. Voyager, among all its other faults was centered around Janeways 'Kirk vibe" IMHO, and Enterprise appeared to be a case of "Look at us, we're doing everything that TOS did, only better and 100 years earlier."

And then 2009 hit and I was taking a lot of flights and that Trek reboot was available to watch. The first time around, I was going "what the hell is this?" as it appeared JJ had watched Galaxy Quest and said, OK, this is what Star Trek fans want. I wasn't keen on the most blatant attempt of erasure of TOS yet.

And between that an my next flight, I realize, what the hell am I doing? Why am I so locked in to one single perspective. And so I watched the movie again, shedding my preconceptions and enjoyed it a lot, for what it was, just another interpretation of the show, I had seen on TV, read in books, read in comics etc.

Its easy get outraged over what seems to be a slight against Headcanon. But its much more fulfilling to widen ones horizon and accept that one can have multiple versions of the same thing and enjoy each one for what they are as opposed to demanding they be what one wants them to be.

People have all sorts of reasons for not liking Discovery. But, IMHO, I can see in a lot of them that it comes down to that they don't want to like Discovery because that would upset their idea of what Star Trek is allowed to be, and they do not want to do that because of the consequences of broadening ones mind and casting away old prejudices that define who one is. For some its preferable to live in the narrower scoped past than accept the wider scoped future, IMHO.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Discovery is different from what they grew up with, thus it's shit.

Enterprise was the same as what they grew up with, thus it was shit.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I think it's well known by now that DIS has a rather divisive reputation, even with its grand upgrade in the second season.

One thing I'd like to know is why such vitriol and hatred surrounds it. I'm not saying everyone has to like DIS. There are some that hate DS9 when i like it the most, but the emotional, illogical and irrational BS that plagues the internet about DIS is almost like I'm in the twilight zone.

Where are these people getting such psychotic hatred of this show? Again, I don't think DIS is perfect, but when psycho hose beast red haired crazies have apocalyptic analyses one after the other, how do these people convince themselves of this?

Discovery is divisive?

Hadn't noticed.

No offense, Novarcharesk, as I'm sure you didn't mean anything by it, but fandom navel-gazing threads like this, of which there have been many, never turn out well, and it's already starting to go down that path with the "alt.Right" and "psychotics" discussions and focusing on the extremes.

We need more threads discussing the show itself and fewer discussing the fans of the show and where they fall on political and hater/gusher lines. Not saying those things aren't a problem, but when you start a thread specifically talking about them, you're going to bring the worst elements out of the woodwork.

I'm closing this down. Sorry.