Seeing that in S1E1 made me immediately wonder whether Isaac's people are remotely humanoid in appearance.
THE ORVILLE S2, E7: "DEFLECTORS"
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Topa's rapid aging has made me wonder how old Bortus and Klyden are supposed to be. Theoretically they could be in their twenties or thirties.I like that they've "TV-aged" Topa without so much as a passing justification regarding "Moclan biology," and I hope they continue to leave that alone.
That does make sense since they had their first date at a Moclan arcade.
Finally caught up to this last night. Is anyone else getting tired of Bortus / Moclan plots?
By the way, this would have made an excellent TNG episode. Lamar and Isaac trying to unscramble the holodeck image was totally a Geordi / Data scene.
By the way, this would have made an excellent TNG episode. Lamar and Isaac trying to unscramble the holodeck image was totally a Geordi / Data scene.
You mean The Left Hand of Darkness redux.
In retrospect, as an adult, today, sure.
Nearly 30 years ago, to a tween, it was daring, creative and on the fringe.
Really? No one I knew at the time was impressed with it and quite a few LGBTQ fans were angry at the "cowardice."
Talking recently about her objections to "About A, Girl," my daughter mentioned how upset she was, as a child, by the Trek episode. "Even then I felt like it was wrong to use gender as a metaphor for sexual orientation, because gender is a thing of it's own."
I had remembered her anger as an eleven year-old, but had misunderstood it as directed solely at the bleak ending. There was a lot that I didn't know about her then.
Talking recently about her objections to "About A, Girl," my daughter mentioned how upset she was, as a child, by the Trek episode. "Even then I felt like it was wrong to use gender as a metaphor for sexual orientation, because gender is a thing of it's own."
I had remembered her anger as an eleven year-old, but had misunderstood it as directed solely at the bleak ending. There was a lot that I didn't know about her then.
Smart kid.
"Daring" only in the sense that prior to 2016 it was Star Trek's only attempt at LGBT issues that wasn't treating the matter as a joke (like DS9's Mirror Universe Lesbians) but besides that it's pretty routine. If they really wanted to be daring, they could have started by having Riker's love interest played by a man.
How is "daring to a child from the past" a compliment?
In the early 90s we were starved for lgbt content, which wasn't a big deal for me, but then I started mixing with new people I hadn't been schooling with since I was 5, for who that was a big deal, so my world vicariously got a little bigger.
In the early 90s we were starved for lgbt content, which wasn't a big deal for me, but then I started mixing with new people I hadn't been schooling with since I was 5, for who that was a big deal, so my world vicariously got a little bigger.
Exactly--I remember thinking the same thing, that is was a cheat that the actor wasn't a man. I imagine the in story reason would be that since Riker was VERY hetero it would make more sense that he would be attracted to a traditionally more feminine personality.
I seem to remember reading that at the time, just prior to Roddenberry's death, he was planning on introducing same sex couples on the Enterprise. Not as main characters, but in the background. The intention was not to make it a main issue on the show but by having same sex couples as window dressing it would show that it was just not anything special in the 24th century.
Roddenberry's track record for decades on LGBTQ matters was occasional lip service and utter non performance.
He had an opportunity to do a show in TNG's first year that included a gay couple as minor characters. He refused.
"Just prior to Roddenberry's death" he had been completely out of the production loop on TNG for several years, owing to health among other reasons.
What was the deal with men in miniskirts, and where did they all go after season two?
What would the FCC had done to Rodenberry if two blokes in space were macking on each other?
There was no Network overwatch.
Thousands of deals with thousands of mom and pop affiliates.
What would the FCC had done to Rodenberry if two blokes in space were macking on each other?
There was no Network overwatch.
Thousands of deals with thousands of mom and pop affiliates.
There was studio overwatch, making sure nothing pissed off those mom-and-pop affiliates paying big money for the show.
Not a thing.
That's not entirely true. 1995's "Rejoined" had Dax exploring a relationship that Trill society finds distasteful. And the fact that they are both women is unremarkable to remind everyone what the story was an allegory for.
As I understand the disappearance of the manskirts was mostly related to the removal of the skirt uniform variant all together, which wasn't particularly popular to begin with. Though I'll be honest, I thought it looked better on Deanna than the outfit she wore for the rest of the first season.
Okay, fine. Two attempts at LGBT matters prior to 2016, and both of them allegorical. That's still a bad statistic for a franchise which prides itself on being progressive and inclusive to all aspects of humanity.
And that's before you get to the part that prior to 2016 the only place we saw actual homosexuals in the Trek franchise was the Mirror Universe, you know, the Star Trek Universe turned evil and wrong. Just what kind of message was that supposed to be sending?
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