I think it's easily explained away that Section 31 eventually discovered the need to be more secretive, and conceal their presence even from Starfleet.
Could this be set in the Kelvin timeline?
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Also the Cage is a little different "Cannon wise" it was shelved and never shown aoart from almost as an extra years later. Parts of it were made cannon by being shown in "The Menagerie" the sexist line isn't in that.
I imagine the answer is "quite a few more times"
Now that Chris Hemsworth isn't doing Star Trek (Kelvin) 4 hopefully he will have a cameo in Discovery when he turns up as George Kirk clearly alive and talks about when his son James was born on Earth after his ship the Kelvin returned from its uneventful mission.
While I'm all for George Kirk in Disco and some father/son angst, they'll definitely recast him. They have everyone else.
Cheaper that way, too.
That don't have Chris Hemsworth money. And apparently neither does Paramount. Luke, maybe.
I just wanna know why the Klingons look 1:So much different than any other Klingon we've ever seen, and 2: Why they have ridges at all at a point in the timeline when they're supposed to look like humans.
(This and other changes that have been made on DIS to 'update the show for the 21st century audience' are why people don't like the show. Most of the cosmetic changes were completely unneccesary and shouldn't have happened in the first place.)
(This and other changes that have been made on DIS to 'update the show for the 21st century audience' are why people don't like the show. Most of the cosmetic changes were completely unneccesary and shouldn't have happened in the first place.)
1. because it is 2019 and a redisgn to make them look more alien is appreciated
2. who supposes they look like humans? to paraphrase Roddenberry: They've always looked like that
Back in 1979, most people did not care that Klingons suddenly had ridges.
Granted, it was a point of fan discussion (although without the internet that discussion was minimal), but for the most part we all just conceded to the reality that TMP has a budget that allows Klingons to look more alien.
As Hythodeus pointed out above, we all accepted Roddenberry's assertion that we can all just use our imaginations to tell ourselves that TOS Klingons are supposed to look just like TMP Klingons.
There's really no way to confirm that, since there wasn't an internet like today.
Then I would slightly revise that to say that "I remember us fans relatively quickly accepting the idea that Klingon makeup would include ridges."
I remember discussion among my friends and letters and articles in Starlog Magazine about the change in makeup, but it seemed that any issues most people had with it quickly waned, and ridged Klingons were fully accepted by most fans.
Put it this way, I don't remember too many people complaining that Kruge in Search for Spock "didn't look anything like Klingons are supposed to look." or "The cosmetic changes in Klingons like Kruge were completely unnecessary and shouldn't have happened in the first place".
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Neither here nor there... but another line that makes me think that the writers are subtly trying to signal this isn't quite the same universe as TOS.
"I thought you were battling alligators on Cestus III?" Which would have to be an allusion to the Gorn, which the Federation doesn't encounter for another seven or eight years.
"I thought you were battling alligators on Cestus III?" Which would have to be an allusion to the Gorn, which the Federation doesn't encounter for another seven or eight years.
before they were known as Gorn, humans called them "Alligator people", because of course they are speciesist af
Why couldn't it be an alligator or alien creature that looks like an Alligator - for Arena to occur as a story, the Federation has to go to Cestus III to settle - so he could have been involved in that because we are provided no information about how long it is settled before the Gorn trash the place.
It was Pike that delivered the line, which means Starfleet knew about the Gorn and Cestus III, and choose to put a colony there anyway, and not alert the Enterprise who was charged with defending the sector.
Because it seems a little too on the nose. Why not bears or giant birds or killer plants?
It's just an Easter Egg, not a secret code to viewers with a decoder ring.
It is an Easter Egg that doesn't make much sense within the context the show is being sold as.
I mean, they could've mentioned missing ship in the Eminiar area, and had the same impact.
Easter Eggs are not required to make sense or work with in context. The impact is so small as to be negligible for everyone except continuity wonks*
* My inner continuity wonk thought "The Gorn, way too early" but then I let it go.
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