I would say that the people I'd encourage/wish to go away are such a loud but impotent and feeble minority, I'm really not too worried.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x03 - "Point of Light"
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I would say that the people I'd encourage/wish to go away are such a loud but impotent and feeble minority, I'm really not too worried.
^ Very reasonable approaches, both of you. Can't speak for others, but with me it's that when I'm not enjoying something I would really like to enjoy, I start rationalizing it by way of analysis. I'm not enjoying the Klingons in Discovery, for example, and that's why I start thinking about why that is. With the goal of vocalizing and explaining, why I don't enjoy them. That doesn't mean that I'm “overthinking” something, that just means that I'm trying to sort out in writing why I just don't come to like it more.
As GR would say 'they always had holocommunication'...just like ridged head Klingons
Never heard any Federation politician spout that
A Vulcan can be taught to repress or eliminate emotions and function in society, a human who can do the same is considered a psychopath. This is why Vulcan logic under certain circumstances is seen as ruthless or heartless to humans e.g Spock advising Kirk to kill Gary Mitchell, T'Pau use of logic considered ruthless in 'Dark thread'
ITA , this is like a customer moaning they hate McDonald's burgers but keeps going there to buy them just to sit and moan they hate McDonald's burgers!
Visual masochists
I don't use other people's views as my reference point. I just state what's in my heart and leave it there. Sometimes I'm part of the mob so to speak. Sometimes i'm fighting my corner as a minority of one.
Sometimes I hate, sometimes I love. Hatin' a TV show is fun too.
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Watching Discovery is like eating at a fair restaurant. The food is good but there's probably one too many damn blue bottles buzzing around annoyin' me.
But I do came back to the restaurant for the food nevertheless.
Sometimes I hate, sometimes I love. Hatin' a TV show is fun too.
. Watching Discovery is like eating at a fair restaurant. The food is good but there's probably one too many damn blue bottles buzzing around annoyin' me.
But I do came back to the restaurant for the food nevertheless.
well, i'll eat it but that doesn't say i'll necessarily like eating it and some stuff surely prevents me from queuing up for a second helping
I just learned how to ride the wave. I watch it. I enjoy it. Then I watch it immediately again if I really liked it.
Then I see what other people think.
Do the people who love the show like it? Check.
Do the people who hate the show have their six-pack of Hatorade on hand? Check.
Do the people in-between have insights I didn't think of? Check.
Everything's in ship shape, then.
When I'm watching and in the moment, my thoughts are, "This is awesome!" If I find out that the Usual Suspects are up in arms about it, then it makes me like it even more. This goes back to DS9 times and has now continued with DSC.
Afterwards, I get more analytical. Unless it's something I was wondering about already, then I already have analytical mode on, but am still taking it in.
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Replying to this and others ...
I watch tv shows (and movies) as a distraction from daily life, not to dissect every plot point. I don't care if something from this week doesn't match up from two or five or twenty or fifty years ago. If it looks cool and holds my attention, I'm good.
Star Trek is a lot of things. Some people don't like all of it. That's ok, it's not real life. It's just a thing. Some people need to look outside their narrow view and see that there are more important things than what's going on in the Trekverse.
Discovery has energy saving corridors! Like those freezer cases in the supermarket that only light up when you walk by them.
I think there's insights often to be had from all three categories of opinion you've listed there. I'm disappointed if there isn't someone on a thread that hates what is by general consensus a good show and vice versa when it comes to a poor show.
I do enjoy it. I don't have too much expectations. But I do sit down, I watch it, I'm happy enough I didn't waste my time. I'm more than enough engaged with it to effortlessly watch the next episode.
And yet I sit down on here for an analysis post and I find I can't really say anything that good about it, lol. Which is unfair - because I did enjoy it. Really - I did.
I suppose my view is that I found Lorca to be an interesting and demanding character. After his clumsy demise though the rest of the characters range from mediocre to irritating with some promise from mirror Georgiou .
And whilst I sometimes find the plotting confusiing, this show does have enough surprises and plot twists to keep me onboard, watching and enjoying. It's a good space romp in otherwords without being too remarkable.
I think a big factor is I've overdosed on sci-fi these past twenty years. Whereas in the 90s sci-fi serials with good FX was a real novelty. I was a much easier feller to impress then than I am now.
I was under a different user name at the time, but I remember the days of the Enterprise discussion threads.. it was full of hate for Berman and Braga. Also, there were many episodes of Enterprise that were rated pretty low on the polls here on the TrekBBS (something that hasn’t happened yet for DSC). Compared to back then, the 5 or so usual suspects who always show up in the DSC episode discussions to spout their blind negativity are not so bad.
The only thing I find more annoying now than the early 2000s is the toxic fandom propagated by some people on YouTube and other sites. But even when TNG debuted there was a loud anti-TNG crowd and then when DS9 and VOY were on the air together there was a war going on between fans of the respective shows... I guess the more things change the more they stay the same.
The only thing I find more annoying now than the early 2000s is the toxic fandom propagated by some people on YouTube and other sites. But even when TNG debuted there was a loud anti-TNG crowd and then when DS9 and VOY were on the air together there was a war going on between fans of the respective shows... I guess the more things change the more they stay the same.
... and kill led.s early for show reasons - the power needed to have them burn all the time costs close to nothing and new led.s are expensive - just show
if those 'lamps' aren't led.s it's even more stOOpid
One that we can right. Unless I'm being obtuse.
This week on Star Trek: Discovery - Ash "Bonnie" Tyler sings "Total Eclipse of the Heart"...
Ash and Voq had three hearts between them in the beginning.
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Last time on Star Trek: Various Red Things...
Entertainment Weekly review excerpt, Darren Franich:
It’s an episode directed with visual fire by Olatunde Osunsanmi, one of the best genre stylists working in television now...
Unfortunately, most of the action onboard Disco this week is blah serialized water-treading... if I had to identify one foundational bothersome Disco idea, it’s the ongoing suggestion that Michael can’t go, like, two weeks without her parents checking in on her.
Kirshner’s Amanda is here to talk Spock. Revelation No. 1: He has (apparently) killed some doctors in his Space Rehab facility. Revelation No. 2: Amanda worries her half-human son’s emotionless upbringing left him a wee bit psychopathic. Revelation No. 3: From a very young age, Spock was visited by that angel butterfly entity, which he called the Red Angel.
Now, I’m all for canon-tweaking. If Disco has decided that the Secret History of Spock is he was a teenage psycho driven mad by a crimson butterfly spacegod — well, fine, then can we just get there already? So far, the grand plot of this season amounts to people talking endlessly about Various Red Things. We also get another tease about What Burnham Did To Make Spock Mad, which pleasepleasepleaseplease don’t be anything romantic.
Then everything goes just crazy... We can maybe say farewell to the Klingons now, yeah?
...The prospect of watching a show about the Federation’s version of Blackwater leaves me feeling like Star Trek will be the last franchise left riding the “dark and gritty” wave. (Tired: Doing your franchise’s Dark Knight. Wired: Doing your franchise’s Ragnarok.) I’m all for a show about the moral ambiguity of spacefaring on the frontier, but that show was Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, and I don’t remember seeing any vividly filmed alien intestines on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. Like, Emperor Georgiou — based on everything we saw in the Mirror Universe — is a bad person. Not bad like Deadpool, bad like Stalin. But Michelle Yeoh is great! Let’s call this a draw.
https://ew.com/tv-reviews/2019/01/31/star-trek-discovery-point-of-light/
Entertainment Weekly review excerpt, Darren Franich:
It’s an episode directed with visual fire by Olatunde Osunsanmi, one of the best genre stylists working in television now...
Unfortunately, most of the action onboard Disco this week is blah serialized water-treading... if I had to identify one foundational bothersome Disco idea, it’s the ongoing suggestion that Michael can’t go, like, two weeks without her parents checking in on her.
Kirshner’s Amanda is here to talk Spock. Revelation No. 1: He has (apparently) killed some doctors in his Space Rehab facility. Revelation No. 2: Amanda worries her half-human son’s emotionless upbringing left him a wee bit psychopathic. Revelation No. 3: From a very young age, Spock was visited by that angel butterfly entity, which he called the Red Angel.
Now, I’m all for canon-tweaking. If Disco has decided that the Secret History of Spock is he was a teenage psycho driven mad by a crimson butterfly spacegod — well, fine, then can we just get there already? So far, the grand plot of this season amounts to people talking endlessly about Various Red Things. We also get another tease about What Burnham Did To Make Spock Mad, which pleasepleasepleaseplease don’t be anything romantic.
Then everything goes just crazy... We can maybe say farewell to the Klingons now, yeah?
...The prospect of watching a show about the Federation’s version of Blackwater leaves me feeling like Star Trek will be the last franchise left riding the “dark and gritty” wave. (Tired: Doing your franchise’s Dark Knight. Wired: Doing your franchise’s Ragnarok.) I’m all for a show about the moral ambiguity of spacefaring on the frontier, but that show was Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, and I don’t remember seeing any vividly filmed alien intestines on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. Like, Emperor Georgiou — based on everything we saw in the Mirror Universe — is a bad person. Not bad like Deadpool, bad like Stalin. But Michelle Yeoh is great! Let’s call this a draw.
https://ew.com/tv-reviews/2019/01/31/star-trek-discovery-point-of-light/
The amount of things that some people will call foul on with Discovery and yet completely accept in the other Trek series is head-spinning in its hypocrisy.
I'm grateful we were spared a scene where an ancient Klingon priest sifts through the spilled entrails to divine the future of their race.
Short pants and shiny shirts.
Thanks for making me laugh.
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