Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x03 - "Point of Light"

[Kane_Steel]

Are they "pulling a PR tactic" or are they just projects that don't work out? Not every project somebody is Excited To Announce gets finished or released. There's no reason to think they invent them to fake success. Star Trek 4 was assumed to be a going concern when it was first announced. Franchise was going strong, writer keen, story idea already drafted. That things shuddered to a halt later on doesn't make that initial enthusiasm anything other than genuine.

It wasn't going as strong as hoped, especially to foreign investors. The returns of the films were moderate. They didn't have super strong ROI and Paramount relied on some foreign investments for ST Beyond. Announcing the 4th film during the week of it's release with Hemsworth listed as cast was a move to convince investors that all was good with the franchise, and it was worth continuing. That tactic doesn't necessarily mean the film will actually happen, as we've seen with the Kelvin house of cards falling, and investors backing out.

 

[Kor]

I mean cast members in TNG and so on that never spoke the name with the "h" at the end?

That's because the supposed Klingon language used in TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT was an absolute mess that had little to nothing to do with the language that Okrand actually developed.

Disco returns to proper Klingon from the TOS films.

Kor

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

What this episode ultimately confirmed for me is that people should not at all expect the episodes to follow one format. That was a concern I had after last week. I enjoyed New Eden a lot but I certainly did not want all the episodes to be structured the way it was. Brother wasn't and Point of Light wasn't. Each of the episodes so far have been setup very differently and I like that that a LOT!

Some episodes can be more standaloneish. Others can and should be allowed to tie directly into the overall serial narrative. and just push the story forward, answer questions, give new ones. Anyone that really thought that was going away I feel were setting up their own disappointment.

I can understand some people feeling a certain way if they thought New Eden's structure was going to be the norm though. That had to be broken and better to do it early.

I agree, but even Point of Light had a story that was told within the confines of the episode. We find near the beginning of the episode that L'Rell has a child, and we are told that the child and Voq may prevent her from being fully accepted and respected as chancellor. By the end of the episode we get a resolution to that story. A mini story with a beginning, middle, and end that is told within the confines of the episode.

The other storylines in the episode (Tilly/May and the Spock storyline) were not as self-contained, as they were continuations from earlier episodes, and there was no final resolution to those stories. However, we did get mini-resolutions to those stories (Tilly gets the parasitic "May" out of her, and Amanda decides to go after Spock).

 

[KirkusOveractus]

That's because the supposed Klingon language used in TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT was an absolute mess that had little to nothing to do with the language that Okrand actually developed.

Kor

Um, they were speaking the language that he developed, weren't they?

 

[Hythlodeus]

Um, they were speaking the language that he developed, weren't they?

not really

 

[Tuskin38]

Um, they were speaking the language that he developed, weren't they?

They borrowed the words, but he probably wasn't consulted.

 

[Kane_Steel]

Trek can be anything it wants.

That doesn't necessarily mean viewers will accept it.

Except its not.

Okay. You're free to believe the trades at face value then. Based on what I've seen many times before, I remain skeptical.

 

[Kor]

Um, they were speaking the language that he developed, weren't they?

In the TV shows, definitely not. They just threw together random words from the Klingon dictionary with some made-up gibberish and didn't pay attention to grammar and pronunciation. And Okrand himself was not involved.

Kor

 

[KirkusOveractus]

In the TV shows, definitely not. They just threw together random words from the Klingon dictionary with some made-up gibberish and didn't pay attention to grammar and pronunciation. And Okrand himself was not involved.

Kor

So, at no point, at all, did he get in touch with anyone (he was working on Trek feature productions during some of this time) about what they were doing wrong? I mean, interviews with him for some things show him to be very picky about the use of the language, and not hesitant to call out those errors.

 

[Tuskin38]

Their language coach on Season 1 was also fluent in Okrand's Klingon

Also, fun fact, Okrand was brought on to the develop the Kelpien language for DSC.

 

[Kor]

So, at no point, at all, did he get in touch with anyone (he was working on Trek feature productions during some of this time) about what they were doing wrong? I mean, interviews with him for some things show him to be very picky about the use of the language, and not hesitant to call out those errors.

He wasn't hired for the TV shows. Movie Trek and TV Trek were separate things, with separate producers and crew (much like today, actually).

Kor

 

[Qonundrum]

That doesn't necessarily mean viewers will accept it.

Wait, you all mean that people might not tune in if the makers turn the bridge into a large, wallpapered room with chintzy sofas and the captain is now a talk show host and they beam up people and people discuss their bizarre ways of doing things and then beat people up and the programmed audience parrots out "Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!" is a drunken and/or coked-up stupor? No way!

 

[Tuskin38]

So, at no point, at all, did he get in touch with anyone (he was working on Trek feature productions during some of this time) about what they were doing wrong? I mean, interviews with him for some things show him to be very picky about the use of the language, and not hesitant to call out those errors.

He could call them out, but it's not like he could force them to listen.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Thank you for explaining it to me. I wasn't trying to be a smarta$$, just wanting to find out about the discrepancy in the speaking of the language.

 

[Kane_Steel]

Well, Burnham was the main character in one plot and a secondary character in another so she was at least the most prominent character. While I agree there is more of an ensemble feel this year, Burnham is still pretty front and centre.

Amanda, Tilly, Pike and Tyler/Voq all relied on Burnham's advice, insight and abilities in this ep. This is still the Michael Burnham show.

That part was fine for the most part, until Burnham magically figured out Tilly's spore ghost problem using the line about 'tears.' That was a stretch, but I suppose Burnham is Sherlock Holmes as well.

 

[Hythlodeus]

IIRC a lot of Okrand's publications on the subject during the 90s were attempts to explain why the gibberish in the show exists. I remember a lot of "this sentence does not make any sense and this unusal grammatical error suggests that and the mispronounciation of that word usually is a sign that..." footnotes in his books

 

[Campe]

Okay. You're free to believe the trades at face value then. Based on what I've seen many times before, I remain skeptical.

And you are free to remain skeptical. I have seen no evidence outside of the "facts" you and your buddies have posted from conspiracy theory-laden YouTube videos that show anything of fact to them. They are all speculative based upon "skeptical" information. Show me some real facts (which no matter how many times you have been asked you have never been able to do - when's Kathleen Kennedy going to be fired again?) and maybe someone will believe you. But for now, I see no reason for CBS to lie. If they don't see Discovery succeeding, I would hope that they would admit as much and just cancel the show. There is no reason for them to lie. What good does it do? Give a little bit of goodwill from fans for about five minutes? If it doesn't work for them, most reasonable people would choose to stop watching the show, move on with their lives, not continue to run conspiracy theories about things they don't like.

But, alas, here we are.

 

[Kor]

I also like the fact that the Disco Klingons have an accent when they speak English. It's a nice touch.

Kor

 

[Hythlodeus]

I also like the fact that the Disco Klingons have an accent when they speak English. It's a nice touch.

Kor

Agreed. The level of detail put into the Klingons in DSC is amazing (and the highlight of the show to me) and it is a shame that hasn't been done for other races too.

 

[Kane_Steel]

And you are free to remain skeptical. I have seen no evidence outside of the "facts" you and your buddies have posted from conspiracy theory-laden YouTube videos that show anything of fact to them. They are all speculative based upon "skeptical" information. Show me some real facts (which no matter how many times you have been asked you have never been able to do - when's Kathleen Kennedy going to be fired again?) and maybe someone will believe you. But for now, I see no reason for CBS to lie. If they don't see Discovery succeeding, I would hope that they would admit as much and just cancel the show. There is no reason for them to lie. What good does it do? Give a little bit of goodwill from fans for about five minutes? If it doesn't work for them, most reasonable people would choose to stop watching the show, move on with their lives, not continue to run conspiracy theories about things they don't like.
But, alas, here we are.

Sounds like you have an issue with certain Youtube channels and you're projecting.

I have no idea who these 'buddies' are you are referring to, because I came to this conclusion on my own using the previous examples of this PR tactic that I've shared.

If you have an issue with the popular content posted on Youtube regarding this topic, don't take it up with me.