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Yeah, I really didn't care for it. I do have to say that the special effects were absolutely fantastic. I don't watch a ton of modern tv shows, so they may be typical for all I know, but they were extremely impressive to me.
 
Somewhat inexplicably, the calendar appears to be for March, 1250. March 1 is a Wednesday.

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*Squinting* That "2" might be an "8." "1850" would at least make a little more sense, coming after the invention of printing, and modern english, though it'd still be weird a church would have a 200 year old calendar hanging up.
 
Yeah, I really didn't care for it. I do have to say that the special effects were absolutely fantastic. I don't watch a ton of modern tv shows, so they may be typical for all I know, but they were extremely impressive to me.

Funny -- I liked the story but I think the effects are terrible. They're too cluttered and busy and garish, and totally ungrounded in reality. What the hell was that shot in the premiere of the turbolift car curving along a roller-coaster track in the middle of a vast open industrial space with sparks flying? That is not how starship interiors work!
 
Somewhat inexplicably, the calendar appears to be for March, 1250. March 1 is a Wednesday.

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*Squinting* That "2" might be an "8." "1850" would at least make a little more sense, coming after the invention of printing, and modern english, though it'd still be weird a church would have a 200 year old calendar hanging up.

Neither 1250 or 1850 have a Wednesday, March 1st (common year starting on Sunday, or leap year starting on Saturday), and the nearest years to fit a Wednesday, March 1st would be 2254 or 2265. So, they may have adapted the calendar somewhat to fit their Earth-like planet.

1250 years before 2257-58 is 1007-08. 1850 years is 407-08. I don't see any major event in any of those four years that could be the genesis of a new calendar in a syncretic religion.

Of course, years are probably differently shaped in the Terrelysium. Maybe 1250 revolutions have occurred over the last 150 years.
 
Funny -- I liked the story but I think the effects are terrible. They're too cluttered and busy and garish, and totally ungrounded in reality. What the hell was that shot in the premiere of the turbolift car curving along a roller-coaster track in the middle of a vast open industrial space with sparks flying? That is not how starship interiors work!
That was the only special effects shot that bugged me, it made no sense what soever. There was not way all of that could fit in between all of the other stuff we've seen on Discovery.
Wow that was the only negative review of that episode I’ve seen anywhere. I loved it.
Same here, both episodes of Season 2 have been fantastic.
I know I say it a lot around here, but it never ceases to amaze me how different people opinions on things like this can be.
 
Don't mind me. I'm hopelessly out of step with what's popular these days.
 
Somewhat inexplicably, the calendar appears to be for March, 1250. March 1 is a Wednesday.

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*Squinting* That "2" might be an "8." "1850" would at least make a little more sense, coming after the invention of printing, and modern english, though it'd still be weird a church would have a 200 year old calendar hanging up.
March 1950 matches that dating scheme, so I think you're seeing a curvy "9" from a calendar for that year...

How do you feel about 100-year-old calendars hanging up? ;)
 
What the hell was that shot in the premiere of the turbolift car curving along a roller-coaster track in the middle of a vast open industrial space with sparks flying? That is not how starship interiors work!
With this being the brand of Star Trek for the foreseeable future, it is now.

Spock has a sister. A magical jump drive that makes a mockery of DS9 and Voyager existed 100 years before them, Klingons come in purple and jet black, and starship interiors include funhouse rides.
 
If the series ends without any canonical explanation of what happened to it, I'll agree with you.
But until that happens I'm not.

The explanation has already been given in season 1. Hell, multiple explanations have already been given in season 1. It can't be used without either torturing a sentient life form or engaging in illegal genetic engineering; plus, its sustained use could damage the mycelial network and destroy the multiverse. They've established already in season 2 that the drive has been decommissioned, and Pike authorizes its use in an emergency only. Presumably that's short-term and it'll be abandoned for good eventually. Okay, they have a subplot of Tilly trying to find an alternative way to make it work, but obviously her efforts will have to fail somehow. Perhaps that subplot is meant to establish why it ends up being permanently abandoned.
 
The explanation has already been given in season 1. Hell, multiple explanations have already been given in season 1. It can't be used without either torturing a sentient life form or engaging in illegal genetic engineering; plus, its sustained use could damage the mycelial network and destroy the multiverse. They've established already in season 2 that the drive has been decommissioned, and Pike authorizes its use in an emergency only. Presumably that's short-term and it'll be abandoned for good eventually. Okay, they have a subplot of Tilly trying to find an alternative way to make it work, but obviously her efforts will have to fail somehow. Perhaps that subplot is meant to establish why it ends up being permanently abandoned.
That doesn't explain why other races don't discover it and use it.

Also, wasn't it specifically the way Terran Empire was using it that was damaging it, not the Federation's?
 
And it would seem like a good candidate for Voyager to dust off for one quick hop if the specs were in the database. Unless the lame spinning saucer is mandatory and not just silly fx.
 
That doesn't explain why other races don't discover it and use it.

True, but you could say the same about a lot of the abandoned technologies that litter the Trek landscape. If the guys from DS9: "Battle Lines" could invent nanites that could cure every mortal wound and make people immortal, why has nobody else invented them? If Rao Vantika from "The Passenger" had a technology to preserve the brain after death and transfer it to a new body, why doesn't any race more advanced than his have the same technology? If Platonians, humans, and Vulcans could develop telekinesis by injecting themselves with kironide, why isn't there a huge galactic market in kironide mining and distribution to give everyone telekinesis? Why are the Sikarians from VGR: "Prime Factors" the only ones who ever invented long-range space-folding teleportation?

Yes, it's a plot hole, but it's a category of plot hole that has already existed in Star Trek for over half a century, so it's not like there's anything new or unprecedented about it. Heck, it's not even unique to Star Trek. Universe-changing technologies that get forgotten after one storyline are a standard trope of episodic science fiction series.


Also, wasn't it specifically the way Terran Empire was using it that was damaging it, not the Federation's?

Hardly matters. If it's even possible to destroy the multiverse by damaging the mycelial network, then that's reason enough to avoid interfering with it in any way, for fear of doing unintended damage or causing an accident or something. The stakes are so high that it's just not worth the risk.


And it would seem like a good candidate for Voyager to dust off for one quick hop if the specs were in the database. Unless the lame spinning saucer is mandatory and not just silly fx.

How could they do that? It takes more than "specs." It takes a supply of Prototaxites stellaviatori fungi, plus either a captive "tardigrade" life form to torture or DNA therefrom to conduct illegal genetic engineering with. Voyager had access to neither the fungi nor the tardigrades, and we know from "Equinox" that Janeway drew the line at torturing sentient beings to get home faster.
 
True, but you could say the same about a lot of the abandoned technologies that litter the Trek landscape. If the guys from DS9: "Battle Lines" could invent nanites that could cure every mortal wound and make people immortal, why has nobody else invented them? If Rao Vantika from "The Passenger" had a technology to preserve the brain after death and transfer it to a new body, why doesn't any race more advanced than his have the same technology? If Platonians, humans, and Vulcans could develop telekinesis by injecting themselves with kironide, why isn't there a huge galactic market in kironide mining and distribution to give everyone telekinesis? Why are the Sikarians from VGR: "Prime Factors" the only ones who ever invented long-range space-folding teleportation?

Yes, it's a plot hole, but it's a category of plot hole that has already existed in Star Trek for over half a century, so it's not like there's anything new or unprecedented about it. Heck, it's not even unique to Star Trek. Universe-changing technologies that get forgotten after one storyline are a standard trope of episodic science fiction series.
I completely agree. I was just expressing something other users in this forum have said before.

I've been saying the same thing for months, though the only example I ever used was the Genesis device. Your give a lot more.
 
I remain convinced that the final, irrevocable end of the spore drive WILL be featured on the show, and that Ripper will somehow be involved.
 
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The Federation should've gotten long-range interstellar transporters by the end of the 23rd century, either by trade with Triskelion or reverse-engineering the tech from the Kalandan outpost.
 
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