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Case dismissed! Discovery and Tardigrade game "not similar"

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If I create "Space Trek", the court wouldn't care when and who told me about "Star Trek" - it's enough they published it first and then they would simply look at how similar my "Space Trek" is to theirs.

If you created "Space Trek" before you could have had any knowledge of Star Trek, then you'd be fine.

If Star Trek alleged that you had knowledge, the judge would ask Star Trek to prove when and how you obtained that knowledge (prove that the prior knowledge was actually obtained by you prior to your creation of Space Trek). If they couldn't prove how or when, than it could be said any similarities were coincidental.
 
Tell that to the people on the streets who are given summary justice for the skimpiest of reasons.
Well, way to take a joke and kill it.

Yes, I'm aware, as I have interactions with the court and parole and Least Restrictive Alternatives for mental health treatment. . Thank you.
 
I'm always a bit worried replying to @Rahul, since he accused me of threatening to murder him once (lol), but I think he's just a bit upset CBS keeps #winning when it comes to Star Trek.
Infraction for referencing your old threat towards Rahul, which you already received an infraction for referencing before. Comments to PM.

You're already on thin ice, and your repeated mentioning of the threat and summoning him to read your post where you mention it is harassment. Knock it off.
 
What's obvious is - these guys most likely copied his ideas - they were publicaly available, the final product is waaay too close to be coincidental - and now they using the law in a way to evade any kind of responsibility.

I disagree. I think it is very possible they both watched Cosmos and through human sized tardigraades would be cool to make a sci-fi story about.

After the tardigrades, all the other stuff he is trying to claim CBS copied has no resemblance at all and trying to list all this stuff that clearly doesn't apply to me actually hurts his case more then helps it because it really looks like he is grasping at straws.
 
You're wrong on this. I don't know how much more plainly it can be said. Of course the plaintiff must demonstrate there is evidence of a case to answer, or people would be in court defending against frivolous lawsuits all the time. They need not prove it to the standard for a finding in their favour at this stage (convictions are criminal) but they must show the is evidence to back up their claim.

For a court case to start you have to prove it's likely you can win the case. That's what he did: He published his work, he showed where it could be published, and he presented the similarities of the work.

For a conviction - you'd actually have to prove it "beyond a reasonable doubt".

But you simply CAN'T prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" before the case even begins. That's what they are asking of him: Prove, without a reasonable doubt, that CBS stole the idea. But not allowing him to tools of the court - which can actually ask for early development bibles . They are simply giving him a burden that's impossible to clear. Wheras for any corporation, the reasonable possibility would have already been enough.
 
Infraction for referencing your old threat towards Rahul, which you already received an infraction for referencing before. Comments to PM.

You're already on thin ice, and your repeated mentioning of the threat and summoning him to read your post where you mention it is harassment. Knock it off.
Edit: Taken to PMs.
 
You're wrong on this. I don't know how much more plainly it can be said. Of course the plaintiff must demonstrate there is evidence of a case to answer, or people would be in court defending against frivolous lawsuits all the time. They need not prove it to the standard for a finding in their favour at this stage (convictions are criminal) but they must show the is evidence to back up their claim.

So you're saying I'm not going to win in court for CBS stealing my childhood USS Discovery?

:wah:
 
We're confusing two things here:

1) Could they have copied his stuff?
2) Did they actually copy his stuff?

No. 1) is clear: He published his work. CBS most definitely could have accessed and copied his stuff.
Thus, the court should go into phase 2): Did they actually do that. Which would be pretty easy to prove by just looking at the series bible from an earlier development stage.

And if the case moves ahead, CBS will provide that. They are not in a stage of the proceedings where you do that though. In court, you don't just volutarily throw everything out at stage 1. A case is a very choreeographed process and when it comes time for that information to be disclosed it will be.

You seem to be forgetting a big part of this - this case if being tried in court not in public. CBS does now owe the "public" anything. They owe the court information and only when it is time to give that information.
 
I disagree. I think it is very possible they both watched Cosmos and through human sized tardigraades would be cool to make a sci-fi story about.

After the tardigrades, all the other stuff he is trying to claim CBS copied has no resemblance at all and trying to list all this stuff that clearly doesn't apply to me actually hurts his case more then helps it because it really looks like he is grasping at straws.
At the very least, it's clear that Cosmos was much more widely viewed than Abdin's video shorts.
 
Also: Everybody here seems to think I want to use that to bash DIS somehow. That's not my intention!
I liked the Tardigrade.:shrug:

I also liked the Voyager episode "blink", with the planet that's in another time-frame as the rest of the universe. That was also heavily based on outside material - a book barely nobody read. And still - the creator got re-imbursed (as far as I know?)

That's would they should do IMO, to a reasonable amount. In fact, I would actually really appreciate it, if Star Trek would "shop around" more SF concept ideas!
 
Why should CBS write a check if it is truly a coincidence? Do you realize what kind of floodgates that would open? They would be inundated with lawsuits.

I really do think "mansized blue sparkling FTL-Tardigrade" is specific enough that not many other people can claim similar similarities on a show to their work! :guffaw:
 
Incorrect. The case is decided in that matter based on a preponderance of evidence. Not on "likely"
Honestly, this is really like kids that made a vinegar-and-soda volcano discussing how to terraform mars. I include myself in that.
Matt Damon. Don't tell Kimmel.
 
Anyway - I'm off now! You guys made some good points, some I agree with, others I don't. Would like to continue further - but real life calls. :shifty:

Bye bye!
 
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