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[Timo]

Because of TNG "Home Soil".

I mean, the terraformers there could have been 24th century scientomennonites or whatnot, adamant on doing it the hard way - but that's not quite the impression we get from the episode.

Then again, terraforming in DS9 "Second Sight" seems to be pure landscaping, and ol' Seyetlik can complete several projects in his lifetime and get famous for it. Perhaps he just tackles easy cases, turning Class L to Class M? Or then he has Genesis-like aids after all.

Genesis might still have been a failure as a WMD. It only ever fired once - perhaps it will turn out it only works that way within energetic nebulae after all, and will fizzle out when hitting planets floating in stark vacuum?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Vger23]

Except Starfleet would have had over a century to refine it so that they wouldn’t need a tartigrade. They already proved that you don’t need one in the show.

That’s my whole point. Technology that allows a ship to jump to anywhere in the universe does not simply get shelved and forgotten just because there are initial setbacks or that it becomes classified for the average Joe. That’s just ridiculous.

As for Genesis: how do we know that it wasn’t perfected later and that planets aren’t being terraformed in the 24th century based on its tech?

Ok dude.

 

[Tuskin38]

The Spore Drive isn't in later series, so clearly something happened to it, or the network.

Good enough reason for me until the show explains it.

I still think the red angles Angels in season 2 will be connected to the drive use.

 

[saddestmoon]

^^^ ‘red angles’?

That’s being a little obtuse? (Wink!)

[saddestmoon shows himself the door along his lame geometry puns]

 

[Tuskin38]

^^^ ‘red angles’?

That’s being a little obtuse? (Wink!)

[saddestmoon shows himself the door along his lame geometry puns]

Damn it

 

[DaveyNY]

^^^ ‘red angles’?

That’s being a little obtuse? (Wink!)

[saddestmoon shows himself the door along his lame geometry puns]

Perhaps they tri angling the Discovery into the heart of one of those Red Angles and find themselves squared off against whatever boxed them in because of rounded-off mathematics.
<snicker>

 

[CorporalClegg]

Guys, I think we're getting off on a tangent.

Must be a sine.

 

[DaveyNY]

Guys, I think we're getting off on a tangent.

Must be a sine.

I'll cosine off on that.

 

[Noname Given]

Except Starfleet would have had over a century to refine it so that they wouldn’t need a tartigrade. They already proved that you don’t need one in the show.

That’s my whole point. Technology that allows a ship to jump to anywhere in the universe does not simply get shelved and forgotten just because there are initial setbacks or that it becomes classified for the average Joe. That’s just ridiculous.

As for Genesis: how do we know that it wasn’t perfected later and that planets aren’t being terraformed in the 24th century based on its tech?

See TNG's - "Home Soil" <---- IE IF they had a Genesis Device - multi decade terraforming projects like the one depicted in that episode wouldn't still be occurring; but they are.

ETA - beaten to the punch I see.

 

[Dukhat]

See TNG's - "Home Soil" <---- IE IF they had a Genesis Device - multi decade terraforming projects like the one depicted in that episode wouldn't still be occurring; but they are.

ETA - beaten to the punch I see.

Again, how do we know that some tech learned from Genesis wasn't part of their terraforming? No, it doesn't terraform the planet instantly, but the information learned from the project could have helped.

 

[DaveyNY]

Heh...
The entire Genesis Project was destroyed, there was nothing left for anybody to learn anything.
No Tech, no Software, and the only one left with any inkling was Carol and I rather doubt she was going to let anybody else tinker with the thing that ultimately killed her son.

The only thing StarFleet had was Carol's video explaining in very basic detail how the project was hoped to work.
David explicitly stated that he was not going to let StarFleet have any of their work.
That's a pretty clear indicator that up to the point that Khan showed up at the station, none of the actual Genesis Materials had been conveyed to StarFleet.

Then Khan killed all the scientists (as well as likely killing most of the Reliant's crew) and took all the data, which was subsequently destroyed along with the Reliant, when he detonated the torpedo.

There was nothing left of the project to work with.

It's pretty clear if one pays attention, that the writers of the movies were very specific about Project Genesis ending completely with the death of David in the TSFS.

 

[Dukhat]

Heh...
The entire Genesis Project was destroyed, there was nothing left for anybody to learn anything.
No Tech, no Software, and the only one left with any inkling was Carol and I rather doubt she was going to let anybody else tinker with the thing that ultimately killed her son.

So if Apple Headquarters explodes, we won't be getting any more iMacs and iPhones because the tech and info to produce them has been irretrievably lost?

Because of TNG "Home Soil".Then again, terraforming in DS9 "Second Sight" seems to be pure landscaping, and ol' Seyetlik can complete several projects in his lifetime and get famous for it. Perhaps he just tackles easy cases, turning Class L to Class M? Or then he has Genesis-like aids after all.

That's a good point. If I remember correctly, Seyetik wanted to re-ignite a star using protomatter. Perhaps Federation scientists realized that the Genesis tech wouldn't work on terraforming planets, but the protomatter at its base could be used for other things? That's learning from Genesis's mistakes. Just like how Starfleet could have learned from the spore drive's mistakes (whatever they may be.)

 

[Ithekro]

I could see the five year mission thing still working with it starting in 2252. The ship takes a year off for a refit and work up, and goes back out in 2259, returns in 2263, takes 2264 off for another refit and work up, than Kirk takes her out again in 2265. Kirk returns in 2270 and they do a much larger refit (a reconstruction basically) he then takes her back out for one more five year mission, Bring her back home in 2278 for another refit. at which point Spock takes over, but probably does not go out on a Five Year mission and instead serves as a training ship from 2279 to her lose over Genesis. Or Spock did take her out on a Five Year mission that ended in 2283 and she was finishing her workup in 2285 as the new training ship (it was implied in TWoK that they were going to put a new crew on her and send her back out again).

 

[DaveyNY]

So if Apple Headquarters explodes, we won't be getting any more iMacs and iPhones because the tech and info to produce them has been irretrievably lost?

Heh...
Your comparing an everyday device used by millions with something that was classified as more than Top Secret and all of the materials as well as the staff of Project Genesis were contained in one spot that was ultimately destroyed completely.

Your comparison is not Logical.

 

[Dukhat]

Heh...
Your comparing an everyday device used by millions with something that was classified as more than Top Secret and all of the materials as well as the staff of Project Genesis were contained in one spot that was ultimately destroyed completely.

Your comparison is not Logical.

I was making a joke. Did you not see my winky little yellow guy?

 

[DaveyNY]

So if Apple Headquarters explodes, we won't be getting any more iMacs and iPhones because the tech and info to produce them has been irretrievably lost?



That's a good point. If I remember correctly, Seyetik wanted to re-ignite a star using protomatter. Perhaps Federation scientists realized that the Genesis tech wouldn't work on terraforming planets, but the protomatter at its base could be used for other things? That's learning from Genesis's mistakes. Just like how Starfleet could have learned from the spore drive's mistakes (whatever they may be.)

The show never mentions the Genesis Project and only BTS discussions indicate that was the writers thinking.
But all that guy did was use Protomatter by itself to complete his project, there was no indication that he was even aware of Project Genesis.

 

[DaveyNY]

I was making a joke. Did you not see my winky little yellow guy?

No, since you added that after I had already started replying to your post.

 

[Dukhat]

No, since you added that after I had already started replying to your post.

My bad.

 

[DaveyNY]

My bad.

It's all good.

 

[Ithekro]

The Dominion used protomatter as part of a small bomb they were going to use to blow up the Bajoran sun (to take out Bajor, Deep Space Nine, and whatever parts of the combined Federation, Klingon,and Romulan fleets stayed in the blast area (assuming for a moment that the blast wave will travel via subspace at FTL speeds like the blast wave from Praxis).