entirely reasonable. i just would've liked to see an attempt to bridge the two arms of the franchise.
Picard series confirmed post-Romulus
- Thread starter F. King Daniel
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You know, even though Star Trek 4 was cancelled, at least the Picard Series addressing the aftermath of Romulus shows that the Kelvin Films won't be forgotten.
Thank the Prophets!
I'm glad Nimoy/Spock's final adventure has been retained. And the Kelvin verse still exists too. Perhaps Picard will go there to find Spock but arrive after his death and meet Quinto/Spock instead. Regardless the destruction of the Romulan Empire shakes things up for Picard and the Federation.
I'm glad Nimoy/Spock's final adventure has been retained. And the Kelvin verse still exists too. Perhaps Picard will go there to find Spock but arrive after his death and meet Quinto/Spock instead. Regardless the destruction of the Romulan Empire shakes things up for Picard and the Federation.
I don't get the impression from the article that the series will be about the destruction of Romulus. Based on what I've seen the new show will take place 12 years after that. The article noted that they are using that as a starting point, not ending point. Basically that something that happened to Picard during that event sent us down the road to where Picard is today.
But I don't think they are going to spend a lot of time on the nu-TNG looking backward based on earlier comments. Like with Discovery, it will probably be up to the novel writers to fill in the details about the history before the show and the background.
That isn't true as far as I'm aware. As there are CBS products using those designs that don't credit Paramount.
They probably just don't want brand confusion.
Yeah. CBS owns Star Trek, I think there's some issues still with the Abrams movies but that really wouldn't apply to Discovery anyway. But CBS otherwise owns it all. If they wanted to reproduce a faithful adaptation of the Enterprise from 'The Cage' legally they would be allowed to. It belongs to them. Ditto with every TV production since then.
They are the gate keepers
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They are the gate keepers
Can't they do anything new?
Except the Romulan/Federation conflict from the TNG era was a lot of set up with no real pay off.
Think about it, there was a cold war between the Federation and the Romulans during the TNG era after decades of isolation, there was a peace/Vulcan reunification movement on Romulus that was being led by Spock, Sisko and Garek tricked the Romulans into the Dominion War, the Romulan Senate was killed off, the Romulan military tried to strike at Earth through Shinzon, only to get cold feet and try to stop him, then Romulus was destroyed by a supernova.
There were a ton of plot threads that added up to nothing in the end in the TNG era with the Romulans and frankly the Romulans are least developed of the major Star Trek alien races, I feel like all the other civilizations: the Cardassians, the Klingons, the Ferengi, the Dominion, even the Borg, got better story arcs then the Romulans, despite them being the Federation's oldest enemies. The Romulans being a people without a home would make them different from everyone else, once proud conquerors are now refugees and maybe some would seek to return to Vulcan and continue the reunification movement, while others may want to rebuild the Empire. A ton of interesting political dynamics can come from that.
Why would Picard go there? Or even assume that Spock lived after he entered the black hole? As far as the prime timeline is concerned, Prime-Spock died entering the black hole trying to save the Romulus. A heroic death.
The only thing this will screw over is Star Trek Online which heavily draws from the Romulus Destruction Aftermath.
I suspect the presumed death of Spock is going to be the "life changing" event they speak of. Spock's mission in life was Romulan/Vulcan reunification. Picard was an Ambassador in the Countdown comics. I think Picard will be carrying on Spock's life's work.
Either that, or Beverly and family were on Romulus and Picard is now an 80 year old angstmuffin.
Oh no.
This is a bad idea on SO many levels!
- Many people care about ST09. NO ONE cared about the destruction of Romulus in that movie! That happened as backstory in an alternate universe of the man story being told that was averted and never happened! Expecting of people (outside the hardcore-Trek-literature-fandom) to even remember that event is a stretch.
- The "science" backstory about that event ("supernova threatening to destroy the galaxy?" FTL-shockwaves? NO ONE even noticing that? Fucking red matter? Destroying planets like marbles?) was the worst part of the ST09 movie - the movie overall really was fine. Except that part. Now their throwing out the good part of ST09 (Kirk and Spock), and only keeping the shitty part in the franchise? What the hell?
- The Picard show really shouldn't be about war with a familiar alien species again. But they will be ding their riff on that god-awful "fall-of-the-Federation"/"chaos-in-the-universe"-concept that will never die, aren't they?
- People that like TNG like the cerebral storytelling. People that like ST09 like the more action-oriented, fun style. Of course there's a BIG overlap - but still - limiting your audience by aiming only at the overlap is a bad idea. They should have started their own concept - from scratch - that should have been first introduced in the Picard show - TO BE ABLE TO WATCH IT WITHOU PRIOR KNOWLEDGE: THere are a LOT of people out there that aren't exactly Trekkies, but liked TNG and would check out Picard returning. Throwing them over the head with THIS amount of backtory right from the start is going to alienate you audience
I honestly think you're making a bigger deal out of this then it will be. My guess is something happens during the destruction of Romulus that sets Picard down the path he is at the time of the show. I don't think they're going to spend time going over 'red matter' and the particulars of the supernova. Put simply, I don't think that will matter a whole lot. Most fans now know Romulus was destroyed because of Star Trek (2009). Nero's whole point of revenge in the film was because his family and his world was destroyed. They can't ignore it and pretend it never happened. It would cut the legs out from a popular movie--and simply they don't ignore major canon events like that when you get down to it.
Something happens to Picard during that incident that changes his life forever. But otherwise I think it will be focused on the here and now and moving forward. I don't even think it will be focused all that much on what happens to the Romulans, unless it plays into a specific episode. I think it will be more---something happens to Picard when Romulus was destroyed and this is where he is today. Now here's his story.
I am curious how they'll explain the supernova's magic properties....
See, contrary to BillJ, i don't see this as as them being "unable to do something new."
I see this as them using an existing event to serve as the catalyst for a character driven drama, instead of inventing a new one, which is probably what they'd do instead. Sometimes it's just makes more to use an existing thread to sew a new tapestry, instead of buying a new one.
Of course, that's just my impression now. When I see the series i may alter my opinion.
I see this as them using an existing event to serve as the catalyst for a character driven drama, instead of inventing a new one, which is probably what they'd do instead. Sometimes it's just makes more to use an existing thread to sew a new tapestry, instead of buying a new one.
Of course, that's just my impression now. When I see the series i may alter my opinion.
That's how I view it. I think the whole supernova thing is a starting point, not an end in itself. I think people are mistaking Kurtzman's comment that this will be the focus of the show. I think it will be used to set things up then probably not mentioned a whole lot after that.
I actually don't think they will. I think it will be focused on how it impacts Picard. I doubt a lot of exposition is going to be spent on the particulars of the nova itself.
I would love to see some sort of crossover with the Abrams universe. Nothing major. Maybe some sort of mention of Spock's disappearance, but that he somehow relayed a message to the prime universe as to what happened to Nero. It would continue the tradition of the past Trek passing the torch to the next Trek. One line.
That could be a big part of how th series starts, the Enterprise helping deal with the aftermath and try to discover what happened.
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