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News DSC Season 2 Premiere Reviews

This is an interesting tidbit. Nothing majorly spoilery, just about what Pike and crew were up to during the war.

That's kind of a shame, since
I really liked the idea from Into Darkness, that Kirk's Enterprise was the first 5-year exploration mission.

I guess it's better than Enterprise NX-01 in the Star Trek: The Beginning script, where they missed the war because they were having shore leave at Risa.
 
I kind of wish CBS had more of an event around this. Maybe even premiering the first two episodes on the network, or at least opening the first two episodes on All Access that night. It's been almost a year since Season 1 ended so having a soft relaunch might be a good thing.

NO KIDDING!!! I totally agree!

The thing I find strangest is that they haven't been marketing it very much on broadcast CBS (although admittedly, I only watch football on CBS). I've seen one advertisement for it. Just one. It seems really dumb, because the trailers are so visually impressive that you'd figure they'd want that out there everywhere.

I also agree that a 2-hour launch simultaneous on the network and on CBSAA would be to their advantage. Seems very odd that they wouldn't do that.
 
Nothing is stopping them from doing that at another time though. I don't think having another red/blue carpet event for a season premiere instead of a series premiere makes much sense though.

I have seen commercials here and there but I don't watch much broadcast TV. Also they can easily ramp up advertising the week leading up to the premiere if they wished. It's not a movie. They could go full force on the 14th to the 17th.
 
Another thought: based on hints on these reviews, if Pike were on a five-year mission that ended in 2257, this would mean that it started in 2252, no? And that The Cage (2254) happened during those five years? Is this the first confirmation we've had that The Cage was part of a five-year mission? Does that even make sense?

(Unless they were recalled early.)
 
Is this the first confirmation we've had that The Cage was part of a five-year mission?

It is. Pike's time on the Enterprise isn't discussed outside of "The Menagerie". The closest we get -- and this is in the Mirror Universe -- is that Mirror Kirk ascended to Captain after assassinating Pike.

Otherwise, that's the last we hear of Pike until Sisko is awarded with a medal named after him in the sixth season of DS9. I want to say the season finale, but I could be wrong.
 
The reviews make me even more excited but I think this season really won me over already with Pike in the trailers particularly the one focused solely on him and the bit with him and Tilly. I always liked Pike. I’m absolutely thrilled we have an opportunity to explore him. As much as I was against going back to the pre-TOS era at first and while I enjoyed but could see major flaws in season one, I am super excited! Bring on Season two!
 
Nothing is stopping them from doing that at another time though. I don't think having another red/blue carpet event for a season premiere instead of a series premiere makes much sense though.

I have seen commercials here and there but I don't watch much broadcast TV. Also they can easily ramp up advertising the week leading up to the premiere if they wished. It's not a movie. They could go full force on the 14th to the 17th.

I'm not talking about a red carpet premiere or anything, but maybe an olive branch to the subscribers who stuck with AA during the hiatus to get just the first two episodes instead of one.
 
Another thought: based on hints on these reviews, if Pike were on a five-year mission that ended in 2257, this would mean that it started in 2252, no? And that The Cage (2254) happened during those five years? Is this the first confirmation we've had that The Cage was part of a five-year mission? Does that even make sense?

(Unless they were recalled early.)

Who says the 5 year mission ended in 2257? There's no reason that the Talos IV excursion was part of one. Maybe the 5 year mission program started in 2255 (which is more or less consistent with Into Darkness), right at the beginning of the Klingon war. The Enterprise would have been too far away to help.

That timeline also gives Pike two five-year missions before passing the Enterprise to Kirk.

By the way: are there any major spoilers in those reviews? I want to read them, but not if they give away the episode.
 
Who says the 5 year mission ended in 2257? There's no reason that the Talos IV excursion was part of one. Maybe the 5 year mission program started in 2255 (which is more or less consistent with Into Darkness), right at the beginning of the Klingon war. The Enterprise would have been too far away to help.

That timeline also gives Pike two five-year missions before passing the Enterprise to Kirk.
But they've come back now in 2257 because of the Red Angel stuff?
 
But they've come back now in 2257 because of the Red Angel stuff?

Why not. In TOS, the Enterprise routinely met up with starbases and other Federation ships while on the mission. Also, this incident is obviously of big importance to Starfleet command, since they ordered Pike to take command of Discovery (not to mention his science officer freaked out and bolted somewhere).
 
Why not. In TOS, the Enterprise routinely met up with starbases and other Federation ships while on the mission. Also, this incident is obviously of big importance to Starfleet command, since they ordered Pike to take command of Discovery (not to mention his science officer freaked out and bolted somewhere).
Good point.
 
The reviews make me even more excited but I think this season really won me over already with Pike in the trailers particularly the one focused solely on him and the bit with him and Tilly.

Yes, that little interaction is just so genuine! Love it.

Who says the 5 year mission ended in 2257?

Well, the reviews suggest something about Pike and the Enterprise during Season 1 of Disco, which at least implies that the five-year mission may have ended in 2257. The caveat, of course, is that it may be that the mission has been interrupted. It's not yet clear.

To your point about reading the reviews, I would say that the reviews aren't terribly spoiler-y, but they do indicate characters who get a lot of screen-time, describe a few scenes in broad strokes, and tell us a bit about which new characters show up in the first episode. I wouldn't say that they reveal any twists or give away too much of the action, though. I'd be happy to post a few excerpts if you're looking for more but don't want to know too much?
 
Largely I agree people should be careful about any review to be honest. I don't really equate them with "fan" and "Audience reception" ratings though.

Given the type people that feel compelled to comment on Supergirl in the negative on the Internet I don't put any weight on any audience reception poll or reviews. It's a case by case basis as with all things. Audience reception on RT for example with Discovery is worthless I believe and it was before season 1 even aired.

I'm going to be direct about this as I can because it's been an issue for me with Supergirl in specific so this is going to be kinda off topic I think, maybe. I'm not going to take the opinion of a guy or guys on the Internet seriously when they use the term SJW as a negative or talk as if they're an authority on what feminism should be and is. Or gets pissed when a female superhero show decides not to tailor their message or the character's outlook on situations to him or a male in general. That's largely what I see when I see people complain about Supergirl in audience rating sections and those that try to push their youtube channels. Now those people I feel largely people should be wary of. So with that show I purposefully look for female writers and commentators. It's the reason why I by pass every single damn video on youtube that even tries to critique this show or seems like they're going to go negative if it's a guy doing it because it's usually the same type of guy that has no business talking about the subject matter.

It's the same way I ignore and bypass white guys on youtube or the Internet in general that try to dismiss what a person of color says is/was racist or bigoted. One it's not your life and you (talking to the youtuber here) don't experience it so you don't get to tell me what I experienced wasn't racism, etc. Those people have no business talking about the subject and should not have their opinions counted.

So to bring it back to Discovery. If someone hated on the show before hand their opinion does not matter. They've proven their negative bias already so anything further negative is worthless. We know what the show is and is trying to be. You accept it on its terms or you don't. If they don't they should move on with their life. I'm not going to put any stock in anyone that is simply hate watching the show now. What they have to say is worthless. They can stay in their bubble and I'll continue to tell people to ignore them.

Since many professional critics and even blogger like sites that have reputations on the line largely gave Discovery positive reviews to varying degrees I'm interested in what they have to say overall on season 2. Do they think it's better, worse, or around the same as season 1 and why . I'll still form my opinion for myself as well.

I'm not talking about a red carpet premiere or anything, but maybe an olive branch to the subscribers who stuck with AA during the hiatus to get just the first two episodes instead of one.
Ah I got you. That would be nice as they did do that last time.

What I'm curious about is if there is something replacing After Trek or if they'll simply do and continue to do more of these mini-interviews and looks at characters that they've done so far. Behind the scenes videos like you'd find on dvds/blu-rays. Instead of just saving them for that you'll get to see them after each episode.
 
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Who says the 5 year mission ended in 2257? There's no reason that the Talos IV excursion was part of one. Maybe the 5 year mission program started in 2255 (which is more or less consistent with Into Darkness), right at the beginning of the Klingon war. The Enterprise would have been too far away to help.

That timeline also gives Pike two five-year missions before passing the Enterprise to Kirk.

Or you could just consider Star Trek TOS as completely unrelated to Discovery ;)

At this point, the mental gymnastics to make STD fit aren't worth it.
 
Well, the reviews suggest something about Pike and the Enterprise during Season 1 of Disco, which at least implies that the five-year mission may have ended in 2257. The caveat, of course, is that it may be that the mission has been interrupted. It's not yet clear.

I read the reviews, and the mention of the five-year mission doesn't say anything about it ending. Instead, it just said they couldn't be on the front lines because of the mission. So, I think it's reasonable to assume that the five-year mission is still going on and was just interrupted by the Red Angel emergency.
 
Take TV Reviews on RT with a grain of salt.

These aren't well-respected film reviewers, but bloggers and fanboy outlets.

These are also similar reviewers who gave CW's cringey Supergirl show nearly all positive on RT, despite fan and audience reception being very mixed;
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/supergirl/s01/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4016454/

I wouldn't be shocked if Discovery S2 garnered reviews similar to S1;
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/star_trek_discovery/s01

I've always gone by IMDB's scoring as a gauge. Discovery has a 7.4 out of 10, based on 56,472 votes. Link to the IMDB Page. On Rotten Tomatoes it as a 54% liked it with an average score of 3.1 out of 5... but that's only based on 7,304 votes. IMDB has eight times as many votes for DSC, so that's what I'd go with. The broader the sampling, the more accurate. The information on Rotten Tomatoes just looks like opinion is divided. And if people rated it "Best Ever!!!" (giving it a 5) or "Worst Ever!!!" (giving it a 1), then a 3.1 sounds like it's essentially splitting the difference between polarized opinions there.

I get the feeling people will like S2 better than S1. I say this because for people who want to like DSC but aren't quite there, this seems as if it'll be more like what they want to see. So that's where the real movement is to watch, with people in the middle who had a mixed impression of DSC and thought "I'd like Discovery so much better if they tweaked this here and that there."

On the other hand: Nothing will change the minds of people who are dead-set determined to hate the series no matter what. They'll just double-down and triple-down on their position, reach further and further to justify their dislike, or just not say anything at all rather than admit to liking any of it.

So if people in the middle start liking the series more, and people who hate it become more rigid than ever and have less and less of a case, then that's how we'll know how much overall opinion of the show has improved or hasn't.
 
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It’s not mental gymnastics, it’s pretty damn easy.

I've seen enough discussions on 'STD canon violations' to counter that, even just from a visual standpoint. It's easier just to view it as it's own thing. The producers don't care that much. The fans shouldn't either.


IMDb isn't a bad gauge, but it also, just like RT, gets trolled a lot.

But the Star Trek audience isn't as passionate or invested as Nolan Batman weirdos for example. So I doubt there is a foul play and that's probably a decent assessment of fan interest. Though IMDb results tend to skew heavily to the first released episodes when ratings and promotions are at a high.

Funny how we heard that same mantra over and over again about "ENTERPRISE", almost 17 years ago now.
I guess the more things change the more they stay the same.
:cool:

I mean if you do a prequel series with minimal effort in making it sync with the original series, you're going to create a disconnect in audience suspension of disbelief. Not surprised the mantra continues.
 
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