Question: Where is it explicitly said that Kirk took command immediately after Pike?

[fireproof78]

Stop! You're either an intelligent person of refined taste, or you're a drooling mindless Star Trek: Discovery fan!

I refused to be drawn in to your meaningless blather of defining things in black and white terms! I'm a person just like everyone else and have feelings too you know! Why are you such a monster in your mindless assertions that Discovery is the only Trek!?

 

[Vger23]

I refused to be drawn in to your meaningless blather of defining things in black and white terms! I'm a person just like everyone else and have feelings too you know! Why are you such a monster in your mindless assertions that Discovery is the only Trek!?

I never knew how much being referred to as a"monster" would make me smile such an evil smile!

 

[DaveyNY]

The good news is that we know, beyond the shadow of any doubt, that the spore drive becomes unusable at some future point. We don't NEED the story to show us this or explain why, because we already know it's true based on how the next 100 years work out.

So it's all going to be ok. Everyone can breathe deeply and sleep calmly in that knowledge, and the knowledge that IF an explanation is provided, it's an added bonus of backstory, not a die-cast requirement to enjoy the last 52 years of programs.




See how simple that is? See how easy it is to be happy? I love it! It's like spreading joy and warmth!

Are you going to go jump off a bridge now?
<snicker>

 

[DaveyNY]

Stop! You're either an intelligent person of refined taste, or you're a drooling mindless Star Trek: Discovery fan!

Wait... ???
There's options here?
Well I'll be a dirty bird-of-prey.

 

[Kemaiku]

The good news is that we know, beyond the shadow of any doubt, that the spore drive becomes unusable at some future point. We don't NEED the story to show us this or explain why, because we already know it's true based on how the next 100 years work out.

We don't, but it would be nice if they'd in any way actually deal with such choatic changes and upsets to an established universe. It's just good manners, good writing and responsibility on their part to do so.

Or they can throw up their hands, say fuck it, and take the flak that comes with it.

 

[BillJ]

We don't, but it would be nice if they'd in any way actually deal with such choatic changes and upsets to an established universe. It's just good manners, good writing and responsibility on their part to do so.

Or they can throw up their hands, say fuck it, and take the flak that comes with it.

It isn't that it is just great tech, it is universe shattering tech that the entire show is built around. It would be like Lorca just not being there one day, with no explanation.

 

[Kemaiku]

It isn't that it is just great tech, it is universe shattering tech that the entire show is built around. It would be like Lorca just not being there one day, with no explanation.

Well that's easy, he just kills the crew before pulling a disappearing act, like a rather poor serial killer magician.

 

[Noname Given]

The good news is that we know, beyond the shadow of any doubt, that the spore drive becomes unusable at some future point.

^^^
We do? Hell, for all we know Section 31's been using it for centuries (and it's how they get to trouble spots and manage to protect the Federation from real dangers it refuses to acknowledge; and they've spent the time since Star Fleet abandoned the technology to erase the knowledge that it even existed in the same way they wipe knowledge of their own existence from the collective memory of the Federation...

 

[thribs]

It doesn’t but it’s implied that he was newly in charge in WNMHGB.

 

[BillJ]

It doesn’t but it’s implied that he was newly in charge in WNMHGB.

Kirk? I don't think anything of the kind was implied. He had been there long enough for Spock to call him "Jim" when discussing marooning Mitchell on Delta Vega.

"This is Gary we're talking about." implies both know the man.

 

[fireproof78]

We don't, but it would be nice if they'd in any way actually deal with such choatic changes and upsets to an established universe. It's just good manners, good writing and responsibility on their part to do so.

Or they can throw up their hands, say fuck it, and take the flak that comes with it.

I doubt that it is so black and white.

Regardless, the story isn't done and while I don't need them to do so, I expect that they will address in some way. Whether or not that is satisfactory to the audience will vary.

And that's my larger point. The handwringing over whether they will and won't seems rather odd to me when the show isn't done. It's like Season 1 ended and that's the end of Discovery and all the loose ends will simply be forgotten.

Call me naïve, call me ignorant, call me whatever, but the fact that the show isn't down gives me confidence that something will come of it. Perhaps that faith is misplaced but I still have it. And, if the show doesn't, I'm still OK.

 

[Noname Given]

It doesn’t but it’s implied that he was newly in charge in WNMHGB.

I don't see that in any way. Hell, they were out at the edge of the Milky Way Galaxy. That didn't seem to be implied as a quick trip/first ,mission after he took command.

 

[DaveyNY]

I always assumed that Kirk took the Enterprise out on a "shake-down" cruise for a lengthy period of time before they went off on their "Five Year Mission".
By the time of WNMHGB, they may have been onboard for a year or so.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I always assumed that Kirk took the Enterprise out on a "shake-down" cruise for a lengthy period of time before they went off on their "Five Year Mission".
By the time of WNMHGB, they may have been onboard for a year or so.

Over in the Kelvin universe, Kirk commanded the Enterprise for 6 months to a year before the five year mission began.

 

[BillJ]

And that's my larger point. The handwringing over whether they will and won't seems rather odd to me when the show isn't done. It's like Season 1 ended and that's the end of Discovery and all the loose ends will simply be forgotten.

This could be because people have seen the quality of the writing of season one and, even if they like the show, know these writers could fuck this all up.

 

[thribs]

I always assumed that Kirk took the Enterprise out on a "shake-down" cruise for a lengthy period of time before they went off on their "Five Year Mission".
By the time of WNMHGB, they may have been onboard for a year or so.

6 months seems about right. Plus getting to the edge of the galaxy isn’t that hard to do.

 

[BillJ]

6 months seems about right. Plus getting to the edge of the galaxy isn’t that hard to do.

Earth could be anywhere from a thousand to several thousand light-years from the galactic barrier. Voyager was supposed to be a much faster starship and could only cover 1,000 light-years per year, so Kirk would've had to be in command anywhere from a year to several years prior to "Where No Man...".

 

[thribs]

Depends on how fast the Enterprise was in that episode.
A year seems too long to me.
The chronology book I own says he took command in 2264 which sounds about right.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I just don't believe these writers aren't drooling at a chance for a season long arc on why the Spore Drive doesn't work to try and satisfy canon.

I hope no one is drooling for that.

 

[Nerys Myk]

If its impervious to weapons, it is likely impervious to scans. But, you are right they mention weapons in the episode.

Not sure why that would be true. The reason they know their weapons won't penetrate is from scanning the material.