Section 31

[Mr. Laser Beam]

That sounds like something that heartless monster, Reed Richards, would say!

Yeah, well, what can I tell ya. Guess I'm one of the dying breed who believes that there are still absolutes in the universe.

 

[Takeru]

All it really says is they have their own holodeck, which might not even be on board a ship.

No, it was on a ship. Bashir was beamed out of his bed straight into the holodeck, they didn't knock him out for a day to transport him to a planetside holodeck facility somewhere.

 

[The Wormhole]

No, it was on a ship. Bashir was beamed out of his bed straight into the holodeck, they didn't knock him out for a day to transport him to a planetside holodeck facility somewhere.

Section 31 might have access to a Dominion transporter capable of beaming someone over the distance of several lightyears.

 

[Tuskin38]

Section 31 might have access to a Dominion transporter capable of beaming someone over the distance of several lightyears.

Nah they stole one from the Kelvin Timeline.

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah, well, what can I tell ya. Guess I'm one of the dying breed who believes that there are still absolutes in the universe.

I'll be right there with you.

 

[Noname Given]

Well, we know from Enterprise that Vulcans were right assholes who were into all kinds of covert activity - as one might expect, given what we saw of the culture in "Amok Time."

And "Journey to Babel" too - as Sarek had no issues lying to, and keeping secrets from his own wife because in his mind, logically, she could do nothing to help with respect to his medical condition, and therefore didn't need to know.

Into Whiteness.

Was Marcus Section 31? He was building an insurrection to take over the Federation, which is not Section 31's mandate, since in a very real way, they already run and control the Federation quietly.

I think that Marcus was the threat, and Section 31 gave him the opportunity to show the universe who he really is: An asshole, who is going to get every one killed.

Marcus wasn't building towards an insurrection per se, he'd just designed and built a ship 100% designed for war, and put things in motion to have the Federation START a war with the Klingon because he thought said war was inevitable; and in his mind it's better that Feds start it (in hopes of controlling the pace/direction instead of waiting for the Klingons to start it once they're ready

 

[Timo]

No, it was on a ship. Bashir was beamed out of his bed straight into the holodeck, they didn't knock him out for a day to transport him to a planetside holodeck facility somewhere.

For all we know, Sloan's holodeck was a simulation being run on one of Quark's holosuites!

We never saw his "Section" in action: his colleagues were holographic, his missions conducted by patsies, his knowledge of secret things never explicated. He did know how to cure Odo, but not because he was Section 31 - but because he knew how to get to the secrets of Starfleet Medical, which is a different thing altogether.

The Sections in the previous centuries seem to be the real deal, even if somewhat different in the 22nd and 23rd. The Section might be dead by the 24th, though, save for lone reenactors.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Timo]

That was always problematic for me. How do they explain the high mortality rate, or even the frequent injuries that occur as being related to space telescopes. To say nothing of why officers like O'Neill who spent their career with Special Forces are involved. Even Jacob Carter found that cover story to be a poor explanation before he learned about the Stargate.

I doubt the cover story was that Stargate=Space Radar Program. Instead, the cover story was that Carter was working on space radars. And the cover story of O'Neill, or at least for those who actually died offworld, may have been that he or she was in Absurdistan doing top secret hostage rescue (but we never told you so). A tailored cover story for everybody, none of these linking them with Cheyenne Mountain or even each other in any manner. And a flexible one at that, so that a colleague accidentally spotted by an outsider would become a "colleague" on the spot, despite having a different cover story for other folks. The Space Radars were just the common cover in the Carter context.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[The Wormhole]

I doubt the cover story was that Stargate=Space Radar Program. Instead, the cover story was that Carter was working on space radars. And the cover story of O'Neill, or at least for those who actually died offworld, may have been that he or she was in Absurdistan doing top secret hostage rescue (but we never told you so). A tailored cover story for everybody, none of these linking them with Cheyenne Mountain or even each other in any manner. And a flexible one at that, so that a colleague accidentally spotted by an outsider would become a "colleague" on the spot, despite having a different cover story for other folks. The Space Radars were just the common cover in the Carter context.

Timo Saloniemi

Actually, O'Neill's cover story was the space radar thing. From the season 2 episode Secrets:

O'NEILL: I retired myself one time. Couldn't stay away.
JACOB (Disbelieving): From your analysis of deep space radar telemetry.
O'NEILL: Well, it's just so damn fascinating.
JACOB: I'm sure it is. Otherwise you wouldn't be receiving the Air Medal.
O'NEILL: We have our moments.