Case dismissed! Discovery and Tardigrade game "not similar"

[Dukhat]

I'm the worst. I like Discovery (flat finale aside) but think it fails completely as an in-continuity prequel to TOS. As it's own version of Trek, no problems.

Exactly. I bought the Blu-rays of DSC and have gotten about halfway through. Other than the fact that I find the Tilly character to be quite annoying, I really like the show, mainly because it has more of a hard Sci-fi element to it than previous Trek. And if it was just advertised as a reboot, I’d have zero issues with it. But to insult my intelligence by saying that this show takes place ten years before TOS is just silly. And no amount of CBS apologists on this board who tell me to ignore what I’ve seen before in favor of a show that doesn’t even try to be in continuity is just as silly.

I like The Orville too, but you'll never convince me it's anything more than an ultra-derivative, nostalgia-driven Trek wannabe with dick jokes.

As I mentioned elsewhere, all I know of The Orville are the promo commercials before the show aired, which turned me right off. But I’m going to make an effort to watch the show so that I can at least have a leg to stand on if I’m praising/condemning it.

 

[Tuskin38]

But I’m going to make an effort to watch the show so that I can at least have a leg to stand on if I’m praising/condemning it.

I wish more people had that mindset.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Except they have hardly any dick jokes. Those diminished greatly after the early part of season one.

I should have said, Generic Seth MacFarlane humour

 

[fireproof78]

And if it was just advertised as a reboot, I’d have zero issues with it. But to insult my intelligence by saying that this show takes place ten years before TOS is just silly.

That's your right. I struggle with understanding on why this is so important to the enjoyment of the actual show...

 

[Rahul]

I can only think of maybe two instances where a dick joke was used. To call The Orville "TNG with dick jokes." is such a bad exaggeration.

Especially considering DISCO had it's very own dick-joke, the way the double-dick Klingon was introduced.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Especially considering DISCO had it's very own dick-joke, the way the double-dick Klingon was introduced.

That is... a very good point.

 

[BillJ]

That's you right. I struggle with understanding on why this is so important to the enjoyment of the actual show...

It really isn't. It is a point to argue about, but wouldn't stop me from enjoying the show if I found the writing even slightly tolerable.

 

[fireproof78]

It really isn't. It is a point to argue about, but wouldn't stop me from enjoying the show if I found the writing even slightly tolerable.

Exactly. Where Discovery falls in line with Trek continuity is secondary to my personal enjoyment of the show. If I couldn't stand the writing then I would not watch it, Star Trek or not.

 

[BillJ]

If I couldn't stand the writing then I would not watch it, Star Trek or not.

Unfortunately (and fortunately), I've been a fan for longer than I can even remember. So I have an interest in where the overall franchise goes, so I'll check in on the new show periodically, hoping to be pleasantly surprised.

 

[BillJ]

I should have said, Generic Seth MacFarlane humour

It is light hearted, but I don't find much of it remotely similar to what we get on his animated shows. The surprising thing for me in The Orville, is you can clearly see how much he loves sci-fi and doesn't want it to be seen as a joke.

I think "Mad Idolatry" out-Trek's Trek on its best days.

 

[fireproof78]

Unfortunately (and fortunately), I've been a fan for longer than I can even remember. So I have an interest in where the overall franchise goes, so I'll check in on the new show periodically, hoping to be pleasantly surprised.

I've been a fan since I was 8, so close to it. But, as long as the franchise continues on then I'm less concerned if a new show gets my interest. VOY and ENT and even DS9 lost me for a time, so I don't have to know every show.

The franchise continued before I came along and will do so long after I expire. It doesn't need me.

 

[CaptainMurdock]

"Into the Fold" and "Firestorm" are my personal favorite episodes of season one and both of those are very light on comedy.

 

[Gepard]

I should have said, Generic Seth MacFarlane humour

Too late. You shall be labeled unobservant, and sniffed at from an ivory tower made of dicks.

 

[Dukhat]

That's your right. I struggle with understanding on why this is so important to the enjoyment of the actual show...

I didn’t say it hampered my enjoyment of the show. It’s not the show I have an issue with. It’s CBS.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Exactly. I bought the Blu-rays of DSC and have gotten about halfway through. Other than the fact that I find the Tilly character to be quite annoying, I really like the show....

To each his own, but I like Tilly quite a bit.
Unchecked enthusiasm that has not yet developed a filter, and maybe never will. That would be me as a cadet (if I were a Starfleet cadet when I was in my early 20s).

I mean, yeah -- she can be annoying. However, we (and the DSC characters) all know her lack of a filter and her enthusiasm can be annoying, and that's one of the deliberate points of her character. To paraphrase Stamets "No cadet, you are f**king annoying"

 

[BillJ]

To each his own, but I like Tilly quite a bit.
Unchecked enthusiasm that has not yet developed a filter, and maybe never will. That would be me as a cadet (if I were a Starfleet cadet when I was in my early 20s).

She has to be a bit older. I get the vibe she probably had some kind of career prior to Starfleet, which is how she ended up on the super-secret, uber-drive Discovery.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

She has to be a bit older. I get the vibe she probably had some kind of career prior to Starfleet, which is how she ended up on the super-secret, uber-drive Discovery.

Good point. Which may even make it less likely that she will ever develop a full filter.

Maybe her Starfleet training plus some direction from the DSC leadership might help her learn to hold back a little instead of spilling everything on her mind, but I think she is the type of person who will always tend to babble on.

But I don't find that her annoying characteristics makes for annoying TV. Her character is there to ask the questions that every Star Trek Geek wants to ask.

 

[Tuskin38]

She has to be a bit older. I get the vibe she probably had some kind of career prior to Starfleet, which is how she ended up on the super-secret, uber-drive Discovery.

She was the best in her class at SFA according to Season 1 dialogue. Lorca probably grabbed her up because of that.

 

[fireproof78]

I didn’t say it hampered my enjoyment of the show. It’s not the show I have an issue with. It’s CBS.

I still struggle to see how.

Again, CBS' marketing has zero impact upon my enjoyment of the show, and I really could care less what CBS thinks about Star Trek. They certainly don't care about what I think about them, so I see no reason to take issue with them when the net relationship is one of entertainment and I'll make my own judgements as to the show and how it fits in to my entertainment and view of Star Trek.

That sounded a bit egocentric and argumentative. It was not meant as such. I just struggle with this POV.

 

[Dukhat]

I still struggle to see how.

Again, CBS' marketing has zero impact upon my enjoyment of the show, and I really could care less what CBS thinks about Star Trek. They certainly don't care about what I think about them, so I see no reason to take issue with them when the net relationship is one of entertainment and I'll make my own judgements as to the show and how it fits in to my entertainment and view of Star Trek.

That sounded a bit egocentric and argumentative. It was not meant as such. I just struggle with this POV.

That’s cool. I have my reasons, and that’s really all that matters to me.