It is pretty massive. 208 pages of about 10" x 12" of glossy goodness!
John Eaves Trek Art Book Out Now
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Might have to order from Amazon.
Eaves' Cardassian station on the front cover is now Vareth Dar in my head-canon. Obviously scaled down and without the docking stations. Maybe only myself and David Mack remember what Vareth Dar was. The Watchtower...
According to Eaves that was a concept for the Cardassian Shipyards, they went a with a smaller less costly option........
Biggest surprise for me is finding out that Eaves is red-green colorblind. You'd never know it from his output. (They do reproduce some childhood and adolescent paintings at the start of the book and it's noticable there, but not really after that.)
He says in the introduction that he expected it to be a handicap in his career, but he found ways to work around it. Just goes to show that if you apply yourself you can overcome just about anything.
He says in the introduction that he expected it to be a handicap in his career, but he found ways to work around it. Just goes to show that if you apply yourself you can overcome just about anything.
Got it and finished reading today. Very insightful.
It’s agonising to read how we weren’t allowed to have round nacelles between the two eras featuring round nacelles.
STO explaines that’s because a new style of warp-drive was tested, affected by the spore drive, and it went out of fashion in 2259.
Anyway, I hope me see more of Eaves’s work in future Trek, and maybe have Eaglemoss produce one or two of his concept art ships - I’m thinking saucered Klingon ship and Kobayashi Maru.
It’s agonising to read how we weren’t allowed to have round nacelles between the two eras featuring round nacelles.
STO explaines that’s because a new style of warp-drive was tested, affected by the spore drive, and it went out of fashion in 2259.
Anyway, I hope me see more of Eaves’s work in future Trek, and maybe have Eaglemoss produce one or two of his concept art ships - I’m thinking saucered Klingon ship and Kobayashi Maru.
Ooh. I've only had the chance to flip through it, and haven't read much. My solution was to work digitally and make liberal use of the eyedropper.
Thats his post-digital revolution solution too. Back in the day he kept jars of paint and markers labelled "RED" and "GREEN" that he would grab when he knew something needed to be one of those colors.
(I didn't know you were red-green colorblind too.)
Surely this isn't a problem since Discovery throws out previous Trek visuals rendering the round nacelles on NX-01 null and void?
Wha? How does the depiction of the nacelle design on certain classes of ship in the 2250s affect the portrayal of designs in the 2150s? That's like saying that the red command uniforms on TNG "throws out" the portrayal of gold command uniforms in TOS.
I think @King Daniel Beyond's point is that if Discovery tells us things we knew what they looked like from TOS don't "actually" look like that, then we also have no basis to believe things from Enterprise "actually" look like how we remember them, either. Boxy nacelles all the way down!
I'm not really sure what you're arguing here.
I thought it was pretty clear. If the premise is that DSC somehow demonstrates that round nacelles never existed, then surely the round nacelles of the Enterprise in DSC disprove that premise. DSC itself allows for both round and boxy nacelles to be part of the same Starfleet in the same era, so there's no reason to question the existence of round nacelles in ENT or any other era. DSC merely adds new information to our understanding of Starfleet ship evolution; it does not require throwing out any of the old information. The boxy nacelles could be a side track in starship design that emerged sometime prior to the 2250s and coexisted with the round-nacelle style used in the Constitution class. Given that the TMP-era nacelle design is a hybrid of round and boxy, it's likely that the two distinct designs converged into one by the 2270s. It fits together reasonably enough without the need to reject any past information.
Look, this is nothing that Trek fans haven't been dealing with for nearly 40 years now. When TMP gave us bumpy-headed Klingons, Roddenberry himself wanted us to believe that Klingons had always been bumpy-headed, but fans still came up with theories to reconcile the smooth and bumpy versions, and eventually one of those theories made it into canon. Trek fandom has decades of experience reconciling seemingly inconsistent visuals, so one new detail certainly does not require throwing out everything else.
I'm not @King Daniel Beyond, but I don't think he's saying round nacelles never existed, just that we can no longer assume they did exist.
Hm, yes, this is certainly something I've never considered before in my thirty years of Star Trek fandom, thanks for spelling it out.
But he's saying that based on DSC, and DSC does show round nacelles on the Enterprise. That is not contradicted in any way by the new information DSC has given us. DSC explicitly demonstrates that boxy nacelles existed alongside round ones, not in place of them. So I just don't think it's an issue in the first place.
Note to Una McCormack: Please use this design somewhere in one of your future installments?
Discovery has it's own distinct visual continuity, deliberately seperate to TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT. Thus the nacelles of the Discoverse NX-01 may be as round as the nacelle pylons on the Discoprise 1701 are straight - i.e. not at all.
No more so than TMP was deliberately separate from TOS. 39 years ago, there were fans insisting it had to be a separate reality just because it looked different. People always have more trouble accepting the new stuff than the old stuff, just because they haven't had enough time to reconcile it in their heads.
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