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Daredevil season 3 Marvel/Netflix

Sounds like it's Hulu or nothing for the the Netflix Marvel series, 'cuz Disney+ doesn't want 'em.

If they didn't lock things down as far as where the series would go after leaving Netflix before pulling the trigger, this is gonna go down as one of the all-time biggest 'shooting yourself in the foot' moves.
 
So Disney just doesn't want anything to do with the characters at this point. It is a shame. I'd really like AMC or Hulu, or even HBO to step in and pick these up. A Heroes for Hire/Defenders style series on HBO would actually fit in well with the station's style.
 
I get the others but not wanting to do anything with Daredevil mystifies me. He’s one of the big ones of the Marvel universe.
 
thribs said:
I get the others but not wanting to do anything with Daredevil mystifies me. He’s one of the big ones of the Marvel universe.
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It's likely due to the contracts an agreements made by Marvel TV and Netflix, the movie studios CAN'T just take over the characters as are 100%. On top of the fact that Loeb doesn't like Kevin Feige for cutting him and the rest of Ike Perlmutter's Yes-Men out of the movies.
 
Nightowl1701 said:
Sounds like it's Hulu or nothing for the the Netflix Marvel series, 'cuz Disney+ doesn't want 'em.

If they didn't lock things down as far as where the series would go after leaving Netflix before pulling the trigger, this is gonna go down as one of the all-time biggest 'shooting yourself in the foot' moves.
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I've seen this tweet a bunch of times, but it's unclear whether it's an opinion or not. I agree with him that the announced shows have been produced by Kevin Feige who isn't going to want to produce Daredevil. It's less clear that the only shows on Disney+ will be produced by Feige. The tweets assume that but there's no indication that's based on anything other than opinion.
 
cylkoth said:
Netflix spitefully cancelling these shows due to Disney's impending entry into the streaming space doesn't really make sense considering that the top 4 of the big six media companies were already their competitors in the overall pay tv industry.
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As the above-linked Forbes article explains, it's not "spite," it's business. People who have to make decisions based on profit and loss don't have the luxury to base them on emotion. From a business standpoint, the Marvel shows don't boost Netflix's subscription base enough to offset the cost of providing advertising for a competing service. So it's just about bean-counting and balancing the numbers.
 
But I'm not sure that's necessarily what it's doing. It seems to me that the existence of a Marvel product on Netflix hurts Disney's streaming service because it lets you get a Marvel product without having to subscribe to the Disney service. And I don't really see how it's advertising the streaming service. It's obviously not directly advertising for it so it would have to be some general advertisement for Marvel. Are people finding out about Marvel through Daredevil as opposed to knowing about Marvel and choosing to come to Daredevil? And, if so, would it follow that they'd then learn about Disney+?
 
JD said:
So basically, you are talking out of your ass. You gave up on all of these show ages ago, and have refuse to give the another them another try, even though they have all massively improved in the last few years.
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That is complete bullshit. I sure as fuck gave Legends of Tomorrow a try after Season 2, a few days ago I watched the episode of Season 3 where a bland woman they pretended was Helen of Troy had magic powers and Dum Dum Duggan was involved because why use a good villain when you can hire an admittedly good actor to play the same shit villain again and again and again. That was after seeing them somehow get tricked by the bad guy from Titanic in the stupidest way possible, watching the show fuck over DC's Isis in a way almost as offensive as what the movies are doing to Shazam, seeing them rip off Spielberg's second worst movie (ET sucked when he did it, and the current Legends brain dead writers/producers are no Spielberg), and seeing Dum Dum Duggan get ressurected. I got through a bunch of Season 3 fairly recently is what I'm saying (I'm glad Netflix gets all of these shows), in the vain hope that I may see what people like, but much like most shitty comedies its just annoying noise. So, yeah, I know Legends of Tomorrow, and Season 4 is no different, except it has one less good character, meaing Mick is the only real character left on that farce.

I haven;'t watched a single episode of DD Season 3 or Agents of SHIELD post them becoming nazis, but that's because I don't want to see Daredevil's complete fucking of Bullseye and Kingpin, and as for AoS I don't watch shows that turn all their characters into Nazi's, even ones that reenact that infamous season of Dallas (I loathe fake future stories, so even without the Nazi stuff in Season 3 I wouldn't have watched Season 4). But, I know the seasons well enough, you don't have to watch something to be informed about it. Neither show has gotten better, they just got worse.

EDIT: Also, I stopped watching AoS after Season 4, and the first half of season 4 was the last good part of it. I got confused about the season numbers and said I stopped in Season 3, but it was season 4 that killed the show half way through with its Nazi shit.

As for Arrow, anyone who complains that I didn't watch it can fuck right off. Oh, a hero is arrested again? Oliver quits being Green Arrow again? Its just repeating the worst parts of earlier seasons, but worse. Same with black Lightning, a show that completely self destructed in its first season.

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I'm really struggling to wrap my around someone actually thinking the first season of Legends of Tomorrow is the best. I enjoyed at the time, but it is the series worst season by a very large margin. We're basically talking about the difference between MCDonalds (Season 1) and a 5-star restaurant (Seasons 2+).
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Season 1 of Legends is the only one that isn't a farce. It had a good story (I don't care if Vandal Savage and Hawkman's actors were shit, the story was good), it had real characters that you could care about instead of one dimensional comedy stereotypes, and it had stakes and emotional moments. Outside of the pointless murder of the second best character on the show last season, there hasn't been a single good serious moment since season 1. Also, watching Season 1 shows that Sara and Ray used to be good characters. They used to be skilled heroes, not a pair of incompetent shit heads who don't deserve to lick Rip Hunter's boots, much less go around fixing up time. Its shocking to see how Routh and Saras actress are playing literally different characters in all but name after Season 1.

Also, its ridiculous to call Legends of Tomorrow post season 1 a 5 star anything. Even season one wasn't the best Arrowverse show (even if it was very good), much less the seasons that fucked the JSA or turned the show into a seth Rogen stoner comedy by somehow lazier and less funny.
 
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Finally finished this up. Really impressed with the work here. I'll post full comments later but I was impressed by how Kingpin and Dex were portrayed. Interesting use of psychology and the struggles that would come with their upbringing. Really appreciated Matt's journey and development. The pacing of this series was pretty good, save for some episodes.

Immediate impression-8.5 out of 10.
 
2nd post but wanting to post a pretty long one, so spoilers as well as a bit of a wall of text.

The Good (things that stand out and really enhanced the experience):
  • The characters feel very fleshed out, 3 dimensional (for the most part) as well as defined outside of their relationship to each other. It was amazing to me how much I enjoyed Foggy's role in this one, and really appreciated his earnest attitude.
  • The cinematography was excellent. Every shot (when I noticed them) felt well done, purposeful and visually gripping. There was a lot of deliberate showcasing character's perception (blurred figures, distorted sound) that I really enjoyed.
  • Most fascinating use of psychology. While it strains a bit of my suspension of disbelief, i appreciated Dex, Fisk, Matt, and even the more secondary characters are shown dealing with extreme duress and not always in the most positive of ways. I appreciated Father Lathom and Sister Maggie's vulnerability regarding their faith and doubts, especially in their history. A nice compliment to Matt's own struggles.
  • Speaking of Matt, I really appreciate the difficulty he had, even when slowly letting people in. Despite his verbal rejection of Stick's teachings he had to struggle to move past it, and grow in a pretty incredible way.
  • Always appreciate Matt using his blindness to his advantage.
  • Matt's speech at the end.
  • Foggy's plan coming through.
The Middle (things that stood out but in weird ways, not necessarily additive):
  • Father Lathom-I know the trope but this all felt very off putting. Maybe that's deliberate but rarely do those type of scenes just sit and stick with me.
  • Karen Page-I know I commented about characters dealing with their psychological guards but she comes across as very anxious the entire time, save for towards the end. Not necessarily bad but I struggled with staying with her due to a lot of anxiety by proxy.
  • Interesting choice with showing Fisk seeing/reading Dex's psych reports. It was well done, and quite honestly i think there is a detective show built in there somewhere, but it felt overly long.
The Bad (detracted from enjoyment):
  • I get that Fisk is everywhere but seriously? The FBI gets incredibly maligned in this whole thing. It feels rather overly complicated and convenient from how it all occurred with regards to personnel assignments, and how state authorities acted.
  • Agent Nadeem felt fairly telegraphed, which made his ultimate end feel rather inevitable rather than having a deep tragic impact I felt it should have.
  • Agent Winn-just highly disturbing.
  • Page's episode felt a bit overly long. Though, not as bad as other season drags that one stood out as something I felt less concerned about.
TL:DR: A very well paced, well done season, that built upon the strengths of the characters and allowing them to really play to those strengths and learned lessons.
 
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fireproof78 said:
2nd post but wanting to post a pretty long one, so spoilers as well as a bit of a wall of text.

The Good (things that stand out and really enhanced the experience):
  • The characters feel very fleshed out, 3 dimensional (for the most part) as well as defined outside of their relationship to each other. It was amazing to me how much I enjoyed Foggy's role in this one, and really appreciated his earnest attitude.
  • The cinematography was excellent. Every shot (when I noticed them) felt well done, purposeful and visually gripping. There was a lot of deliberate showcasing character's perception (blurred figures, distorted sound) that I really enjoyed.
  • Most fascinating use of psychology. While it strains a bit of my suspension of disbelief, i appreciated Dex, Fisk, Matt, and even the more secondary characters are shown dealing with extreme duress and not always in the most positive of ways. I appreciated Father Lathom and Sister Maggie's vulnerability regarding their faith and doubts, especially in their history. A nice compliment to Matt's own struggles.
  • Speaking of Matt, I really appreciate the difficulty he had, even when slowly letting people in. Despite his verbal rejection of Stick's teachings he had to struggle to move past it, and grow in a pretty incredible way.
  • Always appreciate Matt using his blindness to his advantage.
  • Matt's speech at the end.
  • Foggy's plan coming through.
The Middle (things that stood out but in weird ways, not necessarily additive):
  • Father Lathom-I know the trope but this all felt very off putting. Maybe that's deliberate but rarely do those type of scenes just sit and stick with me.
  • Karen Page-I know I commented about characters dealing with their psychological guards but she comes across as very anxious the entire time, save for towards the end. Not necessarily bad but I struggled with staying with her due to a lot of anxiety by proxy.
  • Interesting choice with showing Fisk seeing/reading Dex's psych reports. It was well done, and quite honestly i think there is a detective show built in there somewhere, but it felt overly long.
The Bad (detracted from enjoyment):
  • I get that Fisk is everywhere but seriously? The FBI gets incredibly maligned in this whole thing. It feels rather overly complicated and convenient from how it all occurred with regards to personnel assignments, and how state authorities acted.
  • Agent Nadeem felt fairly telegraphed, which made his ultimate end feel rather inevitable rather than having a deep tragic impact I felt it should have.
  • Agent Winn-just highly disturbing.
  • Page's episode felt a bit overly long. Though, not as bad as other season drags that one stood out as something I felt less concerned about.
TL:DR: A very well paced, well done season, that built upon the strengths of the characters and allowing them to really play to those strengths and learned lessons.
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Well assessed. One thing about Karen's backstory episode... I felt it was uncomfortable to watch... a bit of apprehension, and some disgust that the character was not who she seemed to be (as portrayed on screen, but hinted at as well). Which made it actually a wonderfully well written and performed episode for me. The fact that it made me uncomfortable watching what unfolded is a testament that I think the writers, staff and actors did their job.
 
JasonJ said:
Well assessed. One thing about Karen's backstory episode... I felt it was uncomfortable to watch... a bit of apprehension, and some disgust that the character was not who she seemed to be (as portrayed on screen, but hinted at as well). Which made it actually a wonderfully well written and performed episode for me. The fact that it made me uncomfortable watching what unfolded is a testament that I think the writers, staff and actors did their job.
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I do agree that the discomfort is a sign of a well done episode. The struggle for me is that she feels constantly anxious as a character, so the backstory was hard to take in.

Definitely well done but I can't quite nail down the disquiet with the character.
 
Maybe from Marvel studios but could it be possible for Netflix to produce such a movie? Do we know if their contract for those characters allow such a thing? Because Netflix certainly wants to get more into the film business.
 
The Scrooge Doctor said:
Maybe from Marvel studios but could it be possible for Netflix to produce such a movie? Do we know if their contract for those characters allow such a thing? Because Netflix certainly wants to get more into the film business.
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I would be very surprised if the license would allow a theatrically released film. That would step on the film division. I’m sure the license would cover only being released on Netflix. Now a “TV” film, that I bet would be covered.

But now they would have to renegotiate with all the cast, as they have been released from their contracts.
 
Yeah, that makes sense and that's what I expect the answer to be. I was just floating out that idea because Netflix has their own film studio.
 
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