Finally Watching Discovery - Was I Supoosed to Hate This?
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There was no luxury because they made it that way. We didn't need a Klingon war arc, we didn't need to head into the mirror universe, all in the first season. We also didn't need long, tracking shots of Klingons speaking slowly to one another, in full Klingon, dragging out scenes more than necessary.
These were episodes on an all access, non-network subscription provider. They could have taken all the time they needed. Episodes ranged from 35 to 50 minutes. Why?
The pacing of the show was so inconsistent on this. If they're aware they only get 15 episodes to make this happen, they need to learn to budget time accordingly. This isn't the first Star Trek series ever produced.
I have no objection to that. I just think it's an unreasonable knock on the show. It's like saying TOS was shit because we didn't see Lt. Leslie and Lt. Hadley more.
It's an odd criticism to say "we didn't need a Klingon War or a Mirror Universe detour." That was the point of the season. It's like saying "we didn't need the Borg or a Picard assimilation" to criticize Best of Both Worlds. It's nonsense.
I think the phrase you are looking for is "I didn't like the Klingon War or the MU". That makes much more sense. What we "need" vs what you "wanted" are two extraordinarily different things.
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It's not at all unreasonable. You don't create a character like Airiam, and then not feature her at some point during the first season. This is the season that introduces us to the ship and crew, helps us get to know them. In the first season of TNG, I knew Picard, Riker, Troi, Yar, Data, LaForge, Worf, Beverly Crusher, Wesley Crusher, Q, even Argyle.
No, we really didn't need the Klingon war. It was a stupid decision to go with it, and I think it was one of the bigger failures of the show. It lead nowhere, it meant nothing. Yeah, I didn't want it, but the show certainly didn't need an overarching war for a series set 10 years before TOS, and introducing us to a new technology, new crew, and new imagining of the Star Trek universe.
By this argumentation, we don't need Star Trek at all.
The war definitely meant something to the characters in the universe. To me, it gave a whole new perspective on having a Klingon serving in Starfleet almost a hundred years later.
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Not really. But if you're going to do a prequel set eight years prior to TOS, then it should at least feel like it fits. Everything they've done has to have big red reset buttons attached to them to where they don't interfere with TOS. People used to hate Voyager because it constantly mashed the reset button. Times they have changed.
A Klingon serving in Starfleet I should have said.TOS didn't do that?
Once again, TOS didn't do that?
The whole point of Worf was that two former enemies had learned to see eye-to-eye, to a degree and could work with each other.
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And there's nothing in TOS to indicate that there was a prior war, especially one Kirk and Spock would've served in.
My memory may be foggy but I don't recall any Klingons serving in Starfleet in the TOS era. Please let me know if I'm wrong.Once again, TOS didn't do that?
Again, I know this is subjective, but it felt like it fit to me.
And, I definitely don't feel like a reset button like I did with VOY, which actively sabotaged itself from changes.
Same here. DISCO gave me an actual interest in Klingons that I have not had since TUC.
Ok. Klingons who haven't been sent undercover. Klingons who intentionally joined Starfleet for all the right reasons.You're referring to Voq?
Check out the comics. You might like Konom (sp?)
The Discovery is on some wacky mission (please don't use that as a soundbite!) but I don't think a reset-button was struck. Burnham's still not a First Officer. She's not back to her position on the Shenzhou, so Saru is still her superior.
Then there are the Klingons. Whatever storyline is going on with them will likely roll off the end of S1.
Then there's the nature of events themselves. Once an event is finished, you don't spend forever dwelling on the past. You have to deal with the next thing that's in front of you. Today is different from yesterday. Doesn't mean I forgot yesterday but just that today isn't the same.
Then there are the Klingons. Whatever storyline is going on with them will likely roll off the end of S1.
Then there's the nature of events themselves. Once an event is finished, you don't spend forever dwelling on the past. You have to deal with the next thing that's in front of you. Today is different from yesterday. Doesn't mean I forgot yesterday but just that today isn't the same.
I really don't see how Voq and Worf have anything in common? Voq didn't even know he was serving on a Starfleet ship, he had the actual memories of a Starfleet officer. Worf was the realization of the Organians prediction from "Errand of Mercy".
Usually when one serves in a war, it is a defining event in their life. Kirk and Spock would've both served in the Klingon war and there isn't a hint of anything like that happening. Kirk dealt with Klingons seven times in TOS, did he not lose anyone he was close to, have any confrontations with them?
The Klingon war wasn't a minor skirmish. They pushed to Earth's doorstep and had the Federation ready to commit genocide.
Just forget it. I should've been extremely specific. I'll just go back to lurking.
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