Spoilers The Flash - Season 5
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Well, some speedsters are faster than others. Not all are equal. So I find it hard to believe that XS is faster and better than Barry, despite all his experience and her lack thereof. It was very poorly done just to have Iris "save the day."
Nora can turn back time as we saw with the satellite. She used that power against Barry when we saw him seemingly going backwards. But I agree that if Barry really went all out, that he should clearly win. But Barry could not win because he did not want to hurt Nora. So he had to pull his punches. Having said that, this show has been very inconsistent with Barry's powers and speed. It changes based on the needs of the plot. We've seen Barry be too slow in some instances and then when the pot demands it, he can suddenly go faster than he's ever gone before.
That's possible too. Either way, I think it is probably safe to assume that Iris will be proven right in her decision.
And Supergirl can't defeat Superman. And Lena can't outsmart Lex. And ....
You know, it just occurred to me that we're both forgetting something: Nora has been living in 2018 for almost a year, since Barry and Iris's wedding last November. She lived among us for a considerable span of time without revealing herself. Sure, it's possible that she just time-jumped herself forward to the key moments and didn't live through the entire intervening span, but we know she's a fan of Flash history, and we know she didn't come by accident, so she probably studied the time period before she came, so that she could pass among ordinary people without being conspicuous. So if anything, it would be implausible if she didn't already have a basic grasp of present-day tech and customs. The only puzzling thing is why she didn't have a phone already.
The thing is, every character's story is different. They aren't generic categories, they're individuals. Sure, you could certainly use some time traveler characters to comment on modern trends through their unfamiliarity with them -- as Legends sometimes did with Amaya, though she was from the past. But that wouldn't fit Nora West-Allen's particular story. She's the wrong time traveler to do it with. If anything, what you're proposing would make more sense for Legends's Zari or Supergirl's Brainiac-5, although they've both been in the present long enough that they should've adjusted (because both those shows had 5-month gaps between seasons while The Flash picked up immediately).
Yes, that's the pun behind it, as Nora explained in the season premiere -- Iris gave her the nickname "XS" in childhood because of her tendency to excess. (So Iris was semi-fibbing when she told Spencer that she didn't coin the name, although technically she hadn't coined it yet.) But if the initials of XS as a speedster code name stand for anything, it's probably "extra speed." Spencer thinking of it as a clothing size probably reflects her vacuous, image-obsessed personality.
Perhaps because next Tuesday is Election Day and they don't want to compete with the coverage?
Someone on Twitter screen grabbed the scene of Joe standing in the doorway. It looks like Jesse is hiding some kind of ankle brace. It understandable they are letting him sit as much as possible. Great that he is still in every episode even if with restrictions.
Okay, that's reassuring. Better an injury he can heal from than something more serious.
Refresh my memory. I don't remember her turning back time--I remember her coming out of nowhere and helping. What I thought was extremely cool about this episode is we learned how Cicada became a different guy. Nora caused the debris to land differently. It wasn't that different from the Superfriends when Lex Luthor took Hal Jordan's place and became Green Lantern, wiping Hal's GL from existence.
However, I do feel they really need to delve into this more. The fact that Cicada was never caught now is completely irrelevant. It's not the same guy--therefore--his history is different. His victims and motivations are different.
Meta powers are a crazy thing--if that debris hits a different person, Cicada could have been a hero.
That he turned out to be just as evil as the original Cicada was fortunate for Barry so he had someone to stand against until May.
As for this fight with Nora--I agree that his power can be inconsistent, but even pulling punches, Barry should have been able to immobilize Nora fairly simply.
Superman fights people all the time and doesn't go all out and/or kill them. Barry should have outsmarted Nora, and this just came off as making Barry look a little weak to give Iris a chance to save the day. I think they could have done that without putting Barry's life in jeopardy.
Not without terrible writing contrary to the character. Changing a strong character to make them look weak does not make a weaker character stronger.
Another thing about Nora--
What she did, by traveling back and becoming part of her own family should absolutely assure her deletion from existence.
Think about it--what are the odds that Barry and Iris will have sex at the exact same moment, and the exact same genetic material making Nora?
That's a lot of pressure on Barry and Iris. What if Iris gets pregnant too soon and they time it wrong?
In the season 4 finale, we see Barry run by himself and just when he is about to punch the satellite, everything rewinds backwards and then the scene repeats itself but this time Nora is there and punches the satellite with Barry.
Basically the Fish out of Water scenario that happens in all time travel stories. I guess I could see the appeal of that. I mean I have liked the episodes so far so I didn't really notice it but I could always go for some more of that. The thing I am still confused though is I thought the future was going to be some terrible future like we saw on "Legends of Tommorow" so some of these future stuff here and what might be happening on "Arrow" makes me confused as to just what is going on in the future. Who is writing headlines about the "The Flash" going missing for example but how is a future Barry able to send a message to the Waverider.
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They probably want to avoid being dead wrong about it. Smart phone use (or whatever replaces them) will probably only increase since kids born today already use them like how my generation treated VHS and cable TV. Social media and the Internet will have probably replaced television and film completely. Nora’s only complaint might be that it isn’t as advanced as she’s used to but still have some nostalgic appreciation of it, like how my generation has a weird appreciation of VHS and audio tapes because we grew up with them.
Experience is meaningless when one is hypnotized to do something one normally wouldn't do...
Many time-travel stories posit that there are multiple possible futures, that any future we glimpse is just a potential branching of the timeline. That way, they don't lock themselves in and are free to take their stories in a different direction. (For instance, the future seen in ST:TNG's "All Good Things..." was very different from the path the later Star Trek shows and movies took.) So Zari and Nora could be from different potential futures. Although it would be interesting if the producers of the two shows coordinated their storylines and tied Nora's future into the Legends dystopia. I'm not sure that would work, though. In a future where the government persecutes metahumans, it would be easier for Nora to understand why Iris suppressed her powers.
It doesn't work that way. You can't be hypnotized to do things you don't even know HOW to do.
Plus, Barry was not hypnotized, only Nora was. So Nora being hypnotized should not have prevented Barry from using his experience to stop her.
Now that's a good point.
When the Next Big Thing comes along, those smart phones will go the way of flip phones. I've seen far too much tech change in my lifetime to assume that what kids are using 30 years from now will still be recognizable as what we're using now. And cyber tech advances at ludicrous speed. Even if people are still using something recognizable as smart phones 30 years from now, one of today's models and its apps will seem laughably primitive to somebody from that era.
Smart phones were a non-intuitive advance...sacrificing miniaturization for superior capabilities. If somebody finds a way to put the superior capabilities in a substantially smaller package without sacrificing practicality, buh-bye big-ass smart phones.
that will be the day they need holographic displays or other way to project information. You can shrink the electronics all you want but the end of the day it's still going to be a human reading the information.
