Spoilers The Flash - Season 5
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How is she not their child? Plus that seems pretty dark for a fairly lighthearted show. It's basically about running fast and family/friend hugs.
Nora's clearly showing she had a crush on Spencer Young was adorable.
This isn't the comic.
But it's based on the comic and that's how we'll get Bart later on.
With the way things are going, that'll probably be in a few seasons.
What was the deal about the person resigning? I didn't understand that part.
Another great episode. The softball scenes were hilarious and we got some great character work all around. We also learn more about Cicada and I'm even more intrigued with the whole metatech thing.
I'm also glad we now know why Nora doesn't talk to Iris. I can understand both sides of the argument and I think they handled that really well. I'm really interested to see what they do with Nora and her relationship with Iris and now Barry as the season goes on.
Over in the Arrow thread, I'm not really happy with how that story is progressing. It's really slow, but not very interesting. I feel the exact opposite with Flash at the moment. I wish they weren't taking a week off, but it's a heck of a twist to use your first off week for.
I'm also glad we now know why Nora doesn't talk to Iris. I can understand both sides of the argument and I think they handled that really well. I'm really interested to see what they do with Nora and her relationship with Iris and now Barry as the season goes on.
Over in the Arrow thread, I'm not really happy with how that story is progressing. It's really slow, but not very interesting. I feel the exact opposite with Flash at the moment. I wish they weren't taking a week off, but it's a heck of a twist to use your first off week for.
What? "App" is short for "application," i.e. anything that lets you do something with a device. A word processor, a browser, a mail or messsaging program, a music player, a game, an image editor, anything designed to achieve a specific task (as opposed to system or utility software) is an app. How the hell could doing things with a device go obsolete? That doesn't even make sense.
And again, it didn't happen because it wasn't relevant to the story. If it had been, we would've seen her getting the phone and figuring it out onscreen. Since we didn't need to see it, it happened offscreen in the days between episodes.
And what she's using 30 years in the future could have as little in common with current phone apps and their interfaces as those things have in common with inputting codes in the early '80s. Current cyber tech will be laughably obsolete in 30 years.
Actually, what we've seen of the future tech she uses -- her armband thingy -- seems to use a pretty similar swipe-based graphical interface to what phones use today, just with midair holograms. The reason today's phones use that interface method is because it's simple and intuitive. Once a new technology settles into the most practical, user-friendly operating mode, there's no incentive to change it away from that. The underlying tech will advance, of course, but the human interface will probably stay the same, which is why cars still have steering wheels and pedals even though so much else has changed, and why modern computers still use the QWERTY keyboard layout that was invented to minimize the risk of typewriter hammers physically jamming together.
And again, how do you get a story out of any of this? Fiction isn't about showing us every last detail of people's lives, just the parts that are interesting or meaningful. She got the phone a couple of days before, and she's a speedster. It's not that hard to accept that she already figured the phone out before the episode began.
Creatively, they're wasting the idea of a character who comes from 30 years in the future--of children who haven't been born yet, who will grow up in the world to be. They have the opportunity, if only as side humor (of which there's plenty in this show, it doesn't get in the way of the story), of using her to comment on modern social trends, rather than reinforcing them, and endorsing the products that they're based around along the way. It's both creatively lazy and sponsor-serving.
I think there's a lot more that Nora isn't letting on. I suspect there were already animosity between Nora and Iris when Nora first learned about her powers.
Barry's disappearance in 2024 most likely changed Iris more than the present-day Barry would realize. I also suspect future-Iris may know more about what happened to Barry (or even where he is during his absence) than she let on in the article, and to Nora.
Barry's disappearance in 2024 most likely changed Iris more than the present-day Barry would realize. I also suspect future-Iris may know more about what happened to Barry (or even where he is during his absence) than she let on in the article, and to Nora.
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One thing I didn't like about this episode was that it wasn't exactly clear how Nora got the upper hand with Barry. Was she faster than him? If so, that's kind of weak, given that it's his show after all, and he's the A list hero. Even if she was faster, his experience would have enabled him to win the day. The only thing that would have made sense was if his powers were somehow dampened too.
That was the weak part of an otherwise strong episode for me.
That was the weak part of an otherwise strong episode for me.
Yeah, I think Barry's disappearance was an influence in Iris' decision to suppress Nora's powers. Iris probably could not bear the thought of also losing her daughter too. After all, Iris knows the dangers that Barry has faced, the villains that have tried to kill him and his friends, ultimately leading to that crisis where he disappears seemingly forever. If Nora had her powers, she would follow in her dad's footsteps and face similar dangers. Iris was grieving the loss of Barry and did not want Nora to follow the same path and lose her too.
It is also likely that Iris was trying to protect Nora from Cicada. By suppressing her powers, Cicada would not come after her. It is also possible that Iris thought that she was protecting Nora from herself. We've seen what Nora is like, being new with her powers. She is impulsive, excessive, immature and irresponsible. Maybe Iris felt that Nora was not ready yet to handle her powers in a responsible way. And maybe she was planning to remove the dampening chip later when Nora had gotten a little older and wiser but never got the chance because Nora went back in time.
Obviously Barry wasn't trying to hurt her. But what was unclear is why Barry suddenly was running backwards. If that was an effect to show she was faster, it was poorly executed. It should also have been impossible. If you think about it, she's only half speedster, and in theory, she shouldn't be as fast as the original because she has half of Iris' DNA.
If they wanted to show Barry was holding back, they could have done a better job.
Regarding Nora and that chip--the next mystery is to find out how she learned the chip was even in her and how she found out she IS a speedster.
I don't think the Speed Force is DNA dependent. Once you have access to it, you have access to all it has to offer. Barry himself has barely scratched the surface of what he can do. Nora may have accessed part of the force that allowed her to reverse speed. I agree it was poorly handled from both a story and visual perspective.
XSive?
Yep. In fact, I chuckled a bit when the blogger thought her name was XS as in "extra small". From the first time, we heard her name, I thought her name was "Excess" because she acts excessively in situations.
^ It actually is spelled "XS," though. She's (somewhat loosely) based on a character from the comics who goes by that moniker.
