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Spoilers New Picard TV Series and Litverse Continuity (may contain TV show spoilers)

As much as I would love for them to use the litverse stuff, I seriously doubt it. Not enough people know the material within it sadly.

Yeah, I tend to agree. We feel the litverse stuff is worthy to be considered, and I'm sure comic book folks feel the same way about theirs. But it's just not going to happen.

I'll be sad to see the relaunches go by the way side. I've enjoyed the various stories and will be sad to see it end. And it will end at some point IMO, probably when the nu-TNG show starts getting underway. I figure since it seems Pocketbooks can now include Abramsverse stuff (at least that's my understanding) that they'll probably take the relaunches as far as the destruction of Romulus. I wouldn't be surprised to see something epic in that regard, a la Destiny. And then they'll quietly disappear.

With the new Trade paperback format I'm not sure we'll even see any more standalone DS9, Voyager (except for the remaining 'To Save the Earth' novel) or Enterprise novels. The original series will always be safe, but I they'll focus more on Discovery and TNG centered novels, and once the nu-TNG show starts the relaunches will be replaced with novels based around the new show.
 
Post 1999 Treklit quality > post 1999 Trek film & tv quality

And, amazingly enough, the Treklit writers can manage their own continuity along with that of 50 years of tv and film while the big budget Hollywood guys can't be bothered.
It's not that they can't be bothered, it's that it's such a small niche portion of the fandom, that it's not worth limiting the story potential.
 
I would hate to see the stuff these guys would churn out if their story potential was any more limited.
 
Yeah, I tend to agree. We feel the litverse stuff is worthy to be considered, and I'm sure comic book folks feel the same way about theirs. But it's just not going to happen.

I'll be sad to see the relaunches go by the way side. I've enjoyed the various stories and will be sad to see it end. And it will end at some point IMO, probably when the nu-TNG show starts getting underway. I figure since it seems Pocketbooks can now include Abramsverse stuff (at least that's my understanding) that they'll probably take the relaunches as far as the destruction of Romulus. I wouldn't be surprised to see something epic in that regard, a la Destiny. And then they'll quietly disappear.

With the new Trade paperback format I'm not sure we'll even see any more standalone DS9, Voyager (except for the remaining 'To Save the Earth' novel) or Enterprise novels. The original series will always be safe, but I they'll focus more on Discovery and TNG centered novels, and once the nu-TNG show starts the relaunches will be replaced with novels based around the new show.

I also do not look forward to the abandonment of the current novels' continuity. I felt the same way when Disney relegated the Star Wars Expanded Universe to "Legends" status. At the time I didn't think this would affect my enjoyment of future novels or movies but I found that I lost my enthusiasm for the SW franchise in general. I think it's because I devoted so many hours to reading and learning about the old EU. I hope this doesn't happen with Star Trek but I feel like Trek is about to go into a "bold new direction". This is probably what Star Trek fans felt when Paramount introduced TNG . . . Just my two cents . . .
 
A thought that's been rolling around my head on this matter. Pocket Books never even enforced the novel continuity on all its books, for example Shatner's novels are outside novel continuity. So what the hell makes people think there's a possibility Patrick Stewart will work to make his show consistent with the novels when William Shatner never kept his own novels consistent with the rest?
 
I also do not look forward to the abandonment of the current novels' continuity. I felt the same way when Disney relegated the Star Wars Expanded Universe to "Legends" status. At the time I didn't think this would affect my enjoyment of future novels or movies but I found that I lost my enthusiasm for the SW franchise in general. I think it's because I devoted so many hours to reading and learning about the old EU. I hope this doesn't happen with Star Trek but I feel like Trek is about to go into a "bold new direction". This is probably what Star Trek fans felt when Paramount introduced TNG . . . Just my two cents . . .

Were the SWEU novels ever regarded as canon though? Disney were under no obligation to conform to their continuity.

Paramount/CBS have publicly stated that only on-screen stories are canon.

I suppose it’s down to each individual how they react if the litverse comes to a halt; but I’m sure there will still be entertaining novels for me to read.
 
I also do not look forward to the abandonment of the current novels' continuity. I felt the same way when Disney relegated the Star Wars Expanded Universe to "Legends" status. At the time I didn't think this would affect my enjoyment of future novels or movies but I found that I lost my enthusiasm for the SW franchise in general. I think it's because I devoted so many hours to reading and learning about the old EU. I hope this doesn't happen with Star Trek but I feel like Trek is about to go into a "bold new direction". This is probably what Star Trek fans felt when Paramount introduced TNG . . . Just my two cents . . .

I get what you're saying. I'm looking forward to the next TNG book, but at the same time my own enthusiasm about future relaunch books is tempered by the realization that it's probably going to come to an end once the nu-TNG show begins. I should be more enthusiastic about a new Picard show. I almost feel like a bad Trekkie for not being more excited. But I find that I too have invested years on the current storylines in the relaunches, to the point that I've come to consider characters like Elfiki, Chen and other current characters important. I'll hate for those stories to come to an end.

And I really do believe the relaunches will end once the new show starts. Pocketbooks is not going to continue producing stories that are contradicted by on-screen canon (if they even are allowed to). They'll want to capitalize on the new show at that point. That's when I think you'll see basically 3 types of novels, original series, Discovery and nu-TNG books.
 
At least the Star Trek universe has room for multiple timelines/continuities co-existing without being overwritten necessarily. AFAIK, SW has no mirror universe or alternate timelines officially known as such.
 
At least the Star Trek universe has room for multiple timelines/continuities co-existing without being overwritten necessarily. AFAIK, SW has no mirror universe or alternate timelines officially known as such.

That's true to an extent. What bums me out is that when the nu-TNG begins if it does indeed override the litverse as expected, Pocketbooks will stop producing relaunch novels. I'll still have my old books. CBS/Paramount is certainly not going to come to our houses to confiscate our books because they don't fit the new canon. It's just that the relaunch stories will stop and there will be no new stories in those timelines I guess you can call them.
 
I wonder what's going to happen to the Enterprise Rise of the Federation relaunch books by Christopher L. Bennett will be allowed to be continued or not. It's one of my favorite series.It would be really diasppointing if there won't be any new books for a long time.
 
I wonder what's going to happen to the Enterprise Rise of the Federation relaunch books by Christopher L. Bennett will be allowed to be continued or not. It's one of my favorite series.It would be really diasppointing if there won't be any new books for a long time.

I have a feeling they may not continue at this point. It wouldn't have anything to do with the nu-TNG show. But I think Pocketbooks is going to focus mostly on original series, Discovery and TNG novels from this point on. With 2 TV series on the air, they'll want to capitalize on that as much as possible.

And the other thing is with all future releases apparently being $16 trade paperbacks, I'm not sure there is a strong enough market for Enterprise novels to support that (or DS9 of Voyager novels-save for the final Beyer novel still on the docket).

I hate saying that because I'd love to see at least one from TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise book every year, with the rest of the year shared among the other series. But I just don't see a huge market for a $16 Enterprise novel to make it worth their while. Maybe an occasional e-book is the most we could hope for, but I doubt that as well.

Now, that's just my opinion. I certainly have no insider knowledge so take it for what it's worth. But that's just my gut feeling based on what we've seen thus far and a little logic.
 
So what the hell makes people think there's a possibility Patrick Stewart will work to make his show consistent with the novels when William Shatner never kept his own novels consistent with the rest?

Stewart doesn't have the ego Shatner does, but that's beside the point. If the recent interview where Kurtzman(?) says "there's too many novels/comics to keep everything consistent", to me at least that implies they've actually looked at what happens throughout the novelverse and have at least considered it's viability.

But I'm hardly the most objective in this matter, although if the worst comes to the worst, it's been nearly 20 years since Avatar was released, if it has to end that's not a bad run....
 
But I'm hardly the most objective in this matter, although if the worst comes to the worst, it's been nearly 20 years since Avatar was released, if it has to end that's not a bad run....

Yeah, in a sense we've been spoiled by almost 20 years of continuous stories. Avatar of course for DS9, Homecoming for Voyager, The Good that Men Do for Enterprise, or was it Last Full Measure. I get the two mixed up.

TNG is harder to pin down. I generally consider Vornholt's Genesis Wave books as the unofficial beginning of TNG relaunch (though it was prior to Nemesis) because that seems to be the start of when TNG books started their continuity run (and they referred to his previous Gemworld books but there's no straight continuity between Gemworld and Genesis Wave that I could discern).

That's also probably the reason it will be harder to give up, since it's been such a long run. For TNG novels, there's only a handful of characters left from the actual show and movies. And how about DS9. There's even less left there, on the station at least. And many of the litverse characters have been with us for so long that they've become almost as important as the on screen characters. I credit the various authors for making those characters important. And I also give the writers credit for working together. When you think about TNG and DS9 in particular, that have had numerous authors, it's pretty impressive that they've all kept the same continuity, and build off of each others work.

And they should all take a certain pride that a lot of us here care enough about the litverse they created that we hope, no matter how unlikely, that their work is somehow preserved in the next TNG show.
 
I feel like the Rise of the Federation novels are far enough in the past that they wouldn't be effected much by the new series.
 
Were the SWEU novels ever regarded as canon though? Disney were under no obligation to conform to their continuity.
It was claimed to be so, but in a way that should have been obvious as a misdirection. The films and anything out of George Lucas's mouth (like jokes he made on Conan O'Brien!) were G-canon, the tv shows were T-canon, most books, comics, and stuff were C-canon, and so on. But the very fact that C-canon could be ignored by G- and T-canon indicated it wasn't really "canon" in any meaningful sense.

I might have been mad about the EU being shitcanned if the EU itself hadn't become shit in its later days. I'll happily take the Sequel Trilogy over anything post-New Jedi Order.
 
Yeah, in a sense we've been spoiled by almost 20 years of continuous stories. Avatar of course for DS9, Homecoming for Voyager, The Good that Men Do for Enterprise, or was it Last Full Measure. I get the two mixed up.

TNG is harder to pin down. I generally consider Vornholt's Genesis Wave books as the unofficial beginning of TNG relaunch (though it was prior to Nemesis) because that seems to be the start of when TNG books started their continuity run (and they referred to his previous Gemworld books but there's no straight continuity between Gemworld and Genesis Wave that I could discern).

That's also probably the reason it will be harder to give up, since it's been such a long run. For TNG novels, there's only a handful of characters left from the actual show and movies. And how about DS9. There's even less left there, on the station at least. And many of the litverse characters have been with us for so long that they've become almost as important as the on screen characters. I credit the various authors for making those characters important. And I also give the writers credit for working together. When you think about TNG and DS9 in particular, that have had numerous authors, it's pretty impressive that they've all kept the same continuity, and build off of each others work.

And they should all take a certain pride that a lot of us here care enough about the litverse they created that we hope, no matter how unlikely, that their work is somehow preserved in the next TNG show.
To be honest, I just look at Avatar as starting the whole "Star Trek" relaunch, rather than each series having its own. Never read the Genesis Wave books, but there were quite a few relaunch books that referred back to, or even carried on threads from previous novels.
 
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