Well, you know, one person's extremism is everybody else's basic human decency, compassion, respect, and fairness.
Supergirl - Season Four
- Thread starter Kai "the spy"
- Start date
Nothing about their views are extremist. What universe are you living in?
^ Pretty sure it's Earth-MAGA.
(And you thought Earth-X was bad ....)
(And you thought Earth-X was bad ....)
Guys, don't feed the troll.
Before I go into what I thought of the premiere, I will say that while I do have some issues with some of the social commentary expressed in the Arrowverse, and at other times, how issues are raised or handled, I don't buy the common lament across fandom that comics or other genre entertainment wasn't 'political' before and now is political and therefore is not fun or enjoyable, or what have you solely because of that. Entertainment has always been political. It's just it often expressed a political/worldview that some people who have now have complaints agreed with. And this common view was so pervasive it seemed 'natural' when it was anything of the sort. But now things are more fractured, more voices are out there, and it's more discordant, and I feel that some people who take issue with 'PC' culture or 'SJWs' don't realize that they themselves may uphold or promote views that upset people and are just one of many, and not the default or 'universal' view.
Supergirl is not a subtle show, and sometimes that is awkward and can be annoying, however I don't begrudge them for trying to make the show socially relevant, especially since social relevance and consciousness is in vogue at the moment. I don't agree with everything said on the show but I do get why they are doing it, or I think I do. Certainly some things could be more subtle and worked in to be organic seeming, but I think Supergirl, and the other Arrowverse shows, including Flash, do convey messages of social awareness. Flash and Arrow, in comparison, are not as on-the-nose about it as Supergirl and sometimes Legends of Tomorrow can be. In fact, I think Arrow should be more upfront due to Oliver's long comic's history as a politically liberal character. He's probably the best known liberal superhero and not highlighting that aspect of his character was a missed opportunity. Even when they made him mayor he was the most apolitical mayor probably in the history of television, as the show continued hewing to a middle-of-the-road style.
I don't want to come across saying that the views expressed on Supergirl or the other Arrowverse shows are not subject to debate, or how they are weaved into stories are not subject to debate either. I take issue with the idea that somehow Supergirl and modern entertainment is so much more political compared to the past.
As for the premiere I thought it was a good start. It had a stronger first half than second half IMO.
Supergirl is not a subtle show, and sometimes that is awkward and can be annoying, however I don't begrudge them for trying to make the show socially relevant, especially since social relevance and consciousness is in vogue at the moment. I don't agree with everything said on the show but I do get why they are doing it, or I think I do. Certainly some things could be more subtle and worked in to be organic seeming, but I think Supergirl, and the other Arrowverse shows, including Flash, do convey messages of social awareness. Flash and Arrow, in comparison, are not as on-the-nose about it as Supergirl and sometimes Legends of Tomorrow can be. In fact, I think Arrow should be more upfront due to Oliver's long comic's history as a politically liberal character. He's probably the best known liberal superhero and not highlighting that aspect of his character was a missed opportunity. Even when they made him mayor he was the most apolitical mayor probably in the history of television, as the show continued hewing to a middle-of-the-road style.
I don't want to come across saying that the views expressed on Supergirl or the other Arrowverse shows are not subject to debate, or how they are weaved into stories are not subject to debate either. I take issue with the idea that somehow Supergirl and modern entertainment is so much more political compared to the past.
As for the premiere I thought it was a good start. It had a stronger first half than second half IMO.
It felt like the second half they ran out of FX money or something because that chase through the woods did not look great. But the Supergirl montage at the beginning of the show was cool. Though Supergirl shouldn't have swiped that liquor without paying for it. I liked that the show is focusing again on Kara at Catco and having her become a mentor. Nia Nal being a mirror to Season 1 Kara was a nice touch, and also shows Kara's character progression. Perhaps with Guardian supposedly put on ice and Nal as part of Catco that the news organization will play a bigger part this season. Likely the show could take up the cause of defending the press/press freedom against Agent Liberty's xenophobic campaign. I liked that Lillian is back and Lena is spending more time with her, a foreshadowing perhaps of Lena's villainous turn. I did like how Lena couldn't not interfere with James's case. While I liked the casting or Rhona Mitra, I'm not sold on her Mercy Graves. I liked that they named her brother Otis, but he's not oafish enough IMO. Agent Liberty, more good casting, but I wish the mask wasn't so heavy-looking, that it fit better on his face. Brainiac was okay, though I think he might make things too easy down the road for them. His testy relationship with Alex does provide them both with something to explore. I'm disappointed they killed off Fiona, I thought she could've been a love interest for J'onn.
Didn't care for Kara's attitude with J'onn, though I did like her irritation and rashness, which harks back to the Sterling Gates/Jamal Igle take on the character, and also some of the New 52 Supergirl issues I read. Though I'm not a fan of the newly pacifist J'onn either. One negative review I listened to on You Tube did point out that it wasn't cool that J'onn asked Supergirl to fight when he wouldn't. That didn't feel in character to me, nor did Kara-before that-blowing off what J'onn was telling her about the rise of anti-alien feeling in the country. Both felt storyline dictated to me. That they wanted to keep J'onn out of the fight at Camp David to focus on Kara and the exposure of the President, and for Kara overall to have her privilege or insulated view rocked by the effective scene when she breaks into warehouse and sees all those xenophobic people online. Agent Liberty's crusade does present a different kind of challenge for her and I think that could be good for the show overall. I was wondering why they hadn't ever followed up on the President being an alien, but I thought that exposure was put to good use here.
I also liked the Red Daughter teaser at the end, though I wish they had done a truer adaptation of Red Son and just did a season or half-a-season long arc set in an alternate timeline. What they are doing this season could've been an adaptation of Superman Red and Blue.
I also liked the Red Daughter teaser at the end, though I wish they had done a truer adaptation of Red Son and just did a season or half-a-season long arc set in an alternate timeline. What they are doing this season could've been an adaptation of Superman Red and Blue.
I think he is talking about Antifa but clearly ignoring the Nazi's or police brutality or Trump telling people to hit protestors. Also confusing a metaphor from a literal declaration.
Jason
Not that there even is much of a group, but by definition "Anti-Facist" should be something anyone aspires to be.
But considering you only post to make things worse, it's probably not wise to feed this troll either.
I was not talking about Antifa, though today, you have the democrat leadership calling for the harassment of conservatives and violence. It's pretty damn disgusting.
I think that's great, as long as they make him what he should be, which is one of the top 3 most intelligent people on Earth. I hope they don't try to weaken him and what he is supposed to be.
I was wondering if we were ever going to see him. I'm very curious to see what their take on him is like.
So I think this leaves Perry White and the Kents as the last major Superman characters we haven't seen yet.
Um, no.
Only Brainiac 5 can compete with Luthor's intelligence that we have seen so far.
No one we have seen on Supergirl is in Lex's league there. But we have seen some people in the Arrowverse, such as Ray Palmer, that could be up there.
But Lex is the smartest person in the DC Universe, so changing that would just be revisionist history on the part of some insecure writers.
On the show it's already been strongly implied that Lena is more intelligent than Lex.
Then they have to dumb down Luthor which defeats the purpose of having him. It also makes the writers look insecure and weak, but that may actually be the case.
Lex Luthor is decades old and has always been pretty much without a peer in his brilliance. So yeah, that would be revisionist history. If they are going to bring in a major character, might as well actually WRITE the character correctly.
Who do you think you are to get to insult the writers personally like that?
No it would be a new interpretation of the character.
Supergirl is based on the comic, it isn't a carbon copy, they don't need to make it 1:1 to the source material. The source material is not its history, it would not be revisionist.
Last edited:
