Spoilers Titans - DC Universe Series

[stj]

You think Starfire is the villain?

I didn't hear the name Starfire, and don't know who that is. There's a reason she doesn't go to the police. Preferring to burn three men alive struck me as pretty villainous. Walking all that distance to town was a lot of effort. She had an inordinate amount of money and decadent spending habits to match. There's no reason for me to know she didn't steal it and was just in a falling out with the fool she was stringing along.

 

[dahj]

Yeah... no. She's not the villain and your reading of the situation is... unique... as is your take on Dick.

 

[stj]

My reading is based on what's on screen, not on other stuff.

 

[theenglish]

My reading is based on what's on screen, not on other stuff.

Actually, if you are unfamiliar with the source material I can certainly see how Kory, and Beast Boy even, could be seen as villains in this episode.

 

[dahj]

She has amnesia and a bunch of mobsters are constantly trying to kill her.
I don't know how you got villain from that, antihero maybe, I mean she's basically Jason Bourne here, but villain...

 

[dahj]

Crappy quality, but here's the first image of Starfire in her proper costume:

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Also, Raven:

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[stj]

She has amnesia and a bunch of mobsters are constantly trying to kill her.
I don't know how you got villain from that, antihero maybe, I mean she's basically Jason Bourne here, but villain...

After they tried to kill her, she worked very hard to walk untold number of miles to her hotel, rather than tell the police about the dead body in the car and the men who killed the guy. That's obviously because she didn't give a shit about the guy with her, despite a possibility he was a friend or more. She didn't have to go into the club, she didn't have to stay in the room, she wanted to burn those guys alive when they weren't actually doing anything but standing there. There is a lot of badly written crap where the Hero gets to kill people ad lib and the audience is expected to enjoy a Hero killing. But I think that is more or less thoughtless, callous importation of fascist-type moral values into sensationalism. Your mileage may differ, but please permit me to have different standards. Killing someone actually trying to kill you is indeed self-defense, not murder. Going out of your way to kill them, when they haven't lifted a finger yet, isn't.

Bourne is supposed to be justified because corruption of the authorities means he has no alternative. There's not a reason on screen to think this applies here. Here wealth and the obsequious demeanor of the sycophant suggests she may have criminal reasons not to go to authority, but that's not very clear yet.

 

[kirk55555]

Man, if Starfire is basically just a straight up serial killer, Dove is going to be fucking hilarious. A character that rarely punches someone in the comics, and whose entire point is to be as peaceful as possible, is now slicing the fuck out of people's faces with claws, and the people that defend this show will have to do hilarious mental gymnastics to defend that bullshit. That will make this thread extremely frustrating but also pretty funny once episode 2 comes out.

I'm glad I didn't even bother with episode one. It sounds too frustrating to be funny bad, but this is a case where the defenders make Snyder apologists seem sane so there should be some entertaining stuff from people desperate to defend the single worst live action DC production ever made.

Also, based on those pictures, it looks like "Starfire" drops the hooker clothes to wear...generic purple clothes. You'd think a murdering psychopath would prefer to look like a prostitute to lure in more victims, but she seems like someone who would just walk into a store and murder people when she has the urge, she doesn't need to hide anything.

I swear, this has all the hallmarks of a Scott Buck production, except its a bit too incompetent even for him.

 

[dahj]

After they tried to kill her, she worked very hard to walk untold number of miles to her hotel

This is the second time you've mentioned it, I really don't know what your problem with walking is, but I walk all the time and I'm barely villainous.

Anyways, I completely disagree with your assessment that she should have been cowering like a nice frightened lady and calling for help instead of taking initiative and going out to find answers for herself. Frankly it comes across as if you think a "natural" reaction for a woman is to immediately default to a damsel role, and if she doesn't, and even apparently has money and a healthy sex drive on top of that, there must be something sinister about her indeed, which is a rather... archaic... way of looking at things.

Also, I think you've completely misread...

she wanted to burn those guys alive when they weren't actually doing anything but standing there.

...this scene.

Because it sure as heck looked like she accidentally exploded after a guy shot her, that didn't seem like a voluntary reaction at all, she didn't even seem to remember she had any powers up until then.

 

[The Realist]

I really don't know what your problem with walking is, but I walk all the time and I'm barely villainous.

 

[stj]

The dude whining about his love life pointed his finger at her. If that was supposed to be misdirection, I fell for it. Also, she knew she had powers after the hotel, also a time when she should have called the cops.

My judgment here is it's one thing to make a mistake. And it's another to BS about how calling the cops is cowering, damsel, etc. Crap like this has made it plain to me that you like the cruelty. That's your taste, enjoy it. A post where I thought the villain was dressed outlandishly shouldn't lose your cool.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Crappy quality, but here's the first image of Starfire in her proper costume:

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Wait, so where's the fur coat we've been assured by some of the onlookers that she'd be boasting the whole time? You mean Diop was telling the truth about her costume?!?

 

[dahj]

The dude whining about his love life pointed his finger at her.

If by "finger" you mean gun, and by "pointing" you mean shooting, then yeah, that would be an accurate description of what happened, otherwise I really think you might have been looking at your phone or something at the wrong time.

Crap like this has made it plain to me that you like the cruelty.

Must be from all the walking.

Wait, so where's the fur coat we've been assured by some of the onlookers that she'd be boasting the whole time? You mean Diop was telling the truth about her costume?!?

Well she was lying because apparently she has at least two different costumes.
That tiny bit on the right behind Raven is also her and it doesn't seem to be the same costume as the one above.

 

[JD]

This is the second time you've mentioned it, I really don't know what your problem with walking is, but I walk all the time and I'm barely villainous.

Only barely?

 

[Turtletrekker]

Only barely?

Only if you round down.

 

[dahj]

Only barely?

Only if you round down.

 

[dahj]

Just saw episode 2, another solid one, more focused than the last episode, went a bit into why Dick left Batman and that brutal fight scene at the gun dealers was illustrative of just how much like him he's become and what he's trying to get away from. I also loved the scenes between Dick and Rachel and their bonding before he screwed up. Hawk and Dove were good too, and the Nuclear Family was super creepy(hope Amy and Khaleesi are ok, sheesh).

Apparently Dick already knows Donna Troy, she was in his phone contacts and there's a photo of Dick, Donna, Hank and Dawn at their apartment.

Missed Starfire and Beast Boy since they weren't in it, but we got Alfred and Supergirl in this one instead.

Really good start to the show, I'm proper hooked to see where this is going.

 

[Christopher]

but we got Alfred and Supergirl in this one instead.

How so?

 

[kirk55555]

Ok, so now that Hawk/Dove have been introduced does the show even try to explain why a superhero who rarely even punches people (Dove) is now maiming people? Or is it like Starfire and Robin being murderers, and they just never explain it? I'm getting super curious how the show can justify a superhero group whose entire premise is based on one being violent (Hawk) and one being super peaceful (Dove) can turn them into the exact same character except one is a woman with a slightly different costume.

I mean, it is literally their point, that Hawk is super aggressive and Dove peaceful. He punches and tries to mess people up, she mostly judo flips and pressure points people and basically just tries to knock them out as gently as the circumstance will allow. Making her maim people with glove claws is like having Batman just shot everyone like the Punisher, so I was hoping the show would try to give some BS explanation for me to laugh at as opposed to just being the lazy kind of shit.

 

[dahj]

^^
Do you seriously expect an answer when you already frame the question in the form of a rant?

How so?

Alfred has a voice cameo on the phone, and Dawn wears a House of El shirt.