Again, WATCH the various Star Trek series. There's no higher consistency in TNG era Star Trek than there was in TOS era Star Trek. Again, they were always more concerned with the needs of the story.
But it is stated that in TNG scale (but not in AGT scale) ten is infinite speed, so it explicitly is not the same scale. And I don't go in to the warp speed being inconsistently portrayed in all series and effectively being the 'speed of the plot'; we all know this. It is not the same as the spore drive that is presented as new tech and explicitly stated and shown to be instantaneous travel anywhere.No they weren't by anything on screen. The fastest the 1701-D did was "Warp 13" (Riker in TNG: "All Good Things").
The original 1701 managed Warp 14 in TOS: "That Which Survives". they traveled 997 light years in under 3 days.
And again we're talking on the screen canon here.
In what TNG episode (or later episode of another 24th century series) did they specifically state that about the warp scale on the screen? If it an't on screen it ain't canon (and we are talking canon here.
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In what TNG episode (or later episode of another 24th century series) did they specifically state that about the warp scale on the screen? If it an't on screen it ain't canon (and we are talking canon here.
I'm pretty sure that has never been explicitely stated. All we have are contradictory accounts of what's the highest warp speed (well, "Threshold" imposed a top speed, everything else didn't), so there was a contradiction that fans rationalized as meaning that the warp scale got changed. But they could have just as easily said that it's a different universe.
If warp 10 is infinite speed and Tom was the first to reach it, obviously a different scale was in use when the 1701 went warp 14. Word of god may not be canon, but it was Roddenberry's intention that the scale had been changed "to avoid the ever-increasing warp factors used in the original series."
Yep.
Fair enough, but TOS ships had to be capable of the same speeds as TNG era ships, or the 1701 could never have reached the Center of the Milky Way Galaxy (which it did) in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.
I think there is that. We have the benefit of seeing it and visualizing it and being told it by a viewing screen. The human memory is notoriously faulty and self-selective in terms of what it chooses to focus upon. To expect fictional characters to keep track of such details and minutia, especially ones that may not be significant to their specialty or duty in Starfleet, is putting a greater burden upon characters than we ourselves would employ in day to day life.
The clear implication in STIII is that transwarp would have worked, had Scotty not sabotaged it. If you reject as fanon changing warp scales because it isn't explicitly stated on screen, you must reject as fanon transwarp being a failure, to be consistent.
