Spoilers Season 2 Trailer

[DSG2k]

It's the newest iteration. So yes. That's how it works.

No, it isn't, nor should it be. Remember when Voyager suddenly made warp a straight-line affair? "Faster than light, no left or right"? Fortunately everyone ignored that change going forward, as well they should, and rationalized it as a suggestion of hull stress for that episode's situation rather than a global law against warp maneuvering.

 

[DaveyNY]

It's really a shame that some folks take this shit so serious, that it seems to destroy their enjoyment of a TV Show that has been a staple of Sci-Fi Entertainment for 50 years.
Rigid Consistency has NEVER been a hallmark of Star Trek through the years, and anybody who complains about that now with DISCOVERY, seems to have forgotten this.

IMO, half the fun of being a super-fan of TREK, is making it all fit in ones own head.
There's no need to actually convince other's that one way is better or worse, as long as what you believe makes it FUN for you.
If it doesn't, then perhaps it's time to do a reality check of your entertainment choices, cause what we got in Season-1 is now canon and there's no changing that.


(until the next Trek Series that comes along decides to alter things... again)

 

[CorporalClegg]

No, it isn't, nor should it be. Remember when Voyager suddenly made warp a straight-line affair? "Faster than light, no left or right"? Fortunately everyone ignored that change going forward, as well they should, and rationalized it as a suggestion of hull stress for that episode's situation rather than a global law against warp maneuvering.

What's funny here is you proved my point and don't even realize it.

 

[fireproof78]

(until the next Trek Series that comes along decides to alter things)

Then Discovery will be called the good old days.

 

[marsh8472]

DS9 "Crossover"

INTENDANT: After the first crossover, we were afraid that others might come to interfere in our affairs. It was decided then that if it ever happened again, we would promptly dispose of anyone who appeared from your side.
…
QUARK: Didn't I hear somewhere that a transporter was involved in the first crossover?
…
KIRA: You know I'm looking for a way back. A transporter was responsible for the first crossover.

Neither universe knows Discovery was first crossover, spent half a season there in fact.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

DS9 "Crossover"


Neither universe knows Discovery was first crossover, spent half a season there in fact.

First crossover to be public knowledge in the main universe. Discovery's crossover was classified.

In the mirror universe, maybe the information was also kept secret for some reason.

edited: posted to early.

 

[marsh8472]

First crossover to be public knowledge. Discovery's crossover was classified.

and we have to assume it was classified in the mirror universe as well? When was that said?

 

[fireproof78]

and we have to assume it was classified in the mirror universe as well? When was that said?

I would presume it such given the Mirror Terran Empire's propensity to protect information among the higher echelons of power, such as the Tantalus device.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Who in the mirror universe even knew there was one? Georgiou solved that problem in one fell swoop - so to speak.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

and we have to assume it was classified in the mirror universe as well? When was that said?

You can assume whatever you want. The real answer is Discovery wasn't thought of at the time. That's enough for me. How you reconcile it is on you.

 

[DSG2k]

It's not a matter of winning and losing. It's the fact that this is an interstella empire (emphasis on interstellar) and yet some how I am supposed to believe they only have one ship design language?

So if the Klingons roll up aboard Battleship Yamato, or a Star Destroyer, it's gravy?

I do appreciate your idea, but as a defense of Discovery's changes to the Klingon fleet it is simply absurd. What, did they refit a 2150s battlecruiser into a gnarled gothic Disco D-7 and back again? Is that gonna be your argument, like those who say the Discoprise or DiscoSpacedock are readily convertible (and downscalable)?

Light speed records.

The spore drive is just as powered-FTL as warp, slipstream, transwarp, et cetera.

All of these definitions rely upon very binary and black and white thinking rather than allowing the world of Star Trek to be expanded upon.

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Why, thank you. I, for one, am perfectly happy to see Trek expanded provided it is *consistent with established lore*. DS9 was excellent in that way, and even ENT4 was decent at it from time to time.

When Star Trek breaks from its own lore it may as well be a magick-and-dragons book where stuff happens just because. That would be boring. No, Trek isn't hard sci-fi, but that doesn't mean we can just ignore all reason and let it be senseless fantasy as you seem to suggest. But, then, that would also be a black-and-white view, wouldn't it?

 

[marsh8472]

You can assume whatever you want. The real answer is Discovery wasn't thought of at the time. That's enough for me. How you reconcile it is on you.

I'm not blaming pre-Discovery series. It's not their job to make the story flow into a series that didn't exist yet. But it is Discovery's job to flow into the series that the writers do know exists.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

So if the Klingons roll up aboard Battleship Yamato, or a Star Destroyer, it's gravy?

This is an absurd example

I do appreciate your idea, but as a defense of Discovery's changes to the Klingon fleet it is simply absurd. What, did they refit a 2150s battlecruiser into a gnarled gothic Disco D-7 and back again? Is that gonna be your argument, like those who say the Discoprise or DiscoSpacedock are readily convertible (and downscalable)?

There is a hundred year time span between Enterprise and Discovery. That is plenty of time for Klingons to try a different design lineage. Also, we know in the future that the Klingons are not above trading ship designs with allies, maybe they got the ships from the orions or stole them from a race they conquered.

 

[CorporalClegg]

So if the Klingons roll up aboard Battleship Yamato, or a Star Destroyer, it's gravy?

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I'm not blaming pre-Discovery series. It's not their job to make the story flow into a series that didn't exist yet. But it is Discovery's job to flow into the series that the writers do know exists.

Why do they have be burdened to a single line of dialogue?

 

[fireproof78]

So if the Klingons roll up aboard Battleship Yamato, or a Star Destroyer, it's gravy?

I do appreciate your idea, but as a defense of Discovery's changes to the Klingon fleet it is simply absurd. What, did they refit a 2150s battlecruiser into a gnarled gothic Disco D-7 and back again? Is that gonna be your argument, like those who say the Discoprise or DiscoSpacedock are readily convertible (and downscalable)?

I see no reason why the two can't be classified by Starfleet as D-7 class. I need no further explanation.

The spore drive is just as powered-FTL as warp, slipstream, transwarp, et cetera.

Transwarp was abandoned without comment and considered a failed experiment for years, and not mentioned until VOY and in a much different format. I suppose that's an error as well.

Why, thank you. I, for one, am perfectly happy to see Trek expanded provided it is *consistent with established lore*. DS9 was excellent in that way, and even ENT4 was decent at it from time to time.

When Star Trek breaks from its own lore it may as well be a magick-and-dragons book where stuff happens just because. That would be boring. No, Trek isn't hard sci-fi, but that doesn't mean we can just ignore all reason and let it be senseless fantasy as you seem to suggest. But, then, that would also be a black-and-white view, wouldn't it?

Since Star Trek has not always been 100% consistent (Vulcanian, Vulcan, Vulcans never lie, Vulcan has never been conquered, there were two major wars on Earth, except when there was only one, The Genesis device, protomatter, among others).

I am not ignoring all reason. I am allowing myself to be open to the possibility that I do not know all about Star Trek and that their are possibilities for more variations to be show within interstellar empires and powers and alien species. Something about IDIC but I can't quote that because that was a mindless money grab.

 

[DSG2k]

The spore drive doesn't violate continuity {... b}ecause it was never established that the federation didn't develop a spore hub drive and it was never fully established how bad the conflict with the klingons got pre-tos. Just because no one has mentioned the spore drive or the near disastrous outcome of the klingon war doesn't mean they didn't exist.

People need to stop confusing 'continuity violations' with 'things they don't like'

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

1. Assume for a moment that they don't destroy the spore network without destroying all life in multiple universes as has been suggested thus far.

2. Explain the plot of Voyager.

Similarly, DS9 was clear that Earth had not seen foreign militaries at her door (especially Klingon ones) since the founding of the Federation, not counting the "Borg scare".

 

[DSG2k]

tl;dr

The DSC Klingon war never reached Earth itself. The Klingons may have gotten close to Earth, but they never had boots on the ground.

Boots were not explicitly involved in the Breen attack, and being within orbital range is more than enough to contradict Martok's statement.

 

[DaveyNY]

So if the Klingons roll up aboard Battleship Yamato, or a Star Destroyer, it's gravy?

Nope ... it's more like KRAFT Cheese Spread in the can.

 

[marsh8472]

TOS "I, Mudd"

KIRK: Harry, Harry, you'll never get away with it.
MUDD: Well, who's to stop me?
KIRK: Starfleet.
MUDD: But now, Captain, now I have a ship of my own as fast as any in the fleet, so how will they catch me, eh? Just think of it, laddybuck. Harry Mudd with his own crew of lovelies aboard your vessel. Think about that.

Mudd forgetting about spore drive technology