Spoilers Season 2 Trailer

[Longinus]

You're assuming each species share the same technological ambitions.

So the Borg, the Kelvans and the Dominion are not interested in technology that allows them to travel instantly anywhere? They're only interested in technology that allows them to go really fast, but going instantly would be too boring?

 

[CorporalClegg]

Nothing presented in that video violates continuity.

In fact, I'll add that the suggestion it does implies a level of omniscience detrimental to all characters involved.

 

[marsh8472]

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[Amasov]

So the Borg, the Kelvans and the Dominion are not interested in technology that allows them to travel instantly anywhere?They're only interested in technology that allows them to go really fast, but going instantly would be too boring?

I don't know. Find me a Borg, Kelvan, and a member of the Dominion and I'll ask them.

 

[Vger23]

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Did any make one for the TOS movies? TNG? DS9? VOY? ENT?

I'd like to check those out too.

 

[Amasov]

Did any make one for the TOS movies? TNG? DS9? VOY? ENT?

I'd like to check those out too.

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[DSG2k]

In TOS the Enterprise destroyed 2 (3?) D7s in a single battle.

In DSC, the Discovery could barely handle a single Cruiser.

Clearly that shows the Connie is a stronger ship.

(headdesk)

There are so many things wrong with that argument. For one, I wasn't comparing Enterprise to Discovery in regards to tactical capability, but Enterprise to the Disco fleet generally.

Second, you have no basis to think the old D-7 is superior to the Disco D-7 or whatever cruiser you refer to, since as far as I am aware we have never seen them fire on anything comparable.

But, this is veering off the course of the thread anyway.

 

[DSG2k]

Where did I say that?

"If you're not going to use what the other series established it stops being Star Trek."

- You, Sept 28 2017

 

[DSG2k]

It's too early to say that, the show isn't over.

How could the Enterprise hold speed records?

 

[DSG2k]

This. To my knowledge, the only thing Discovery is contradicting is the design of pre-TOS Klingon ships, which was solely established by Enterprise. I think it's fair to say that Enterprise got it wrong, not Discovery. With the introduction of the D7 in Season 2 as a probable new design, let's just waive away the unimaginative ENT Klingon designs the same way we ignore James R. Kirk, Vulcanians, the time barrier, and the United Earth Space Probe Agency.

So in the event of contradiction, Discovery wins, even when it comes to Klingon starship design which, save for a glowing yellow frying pan thing and one oddly flat design to bookend it, has been pretty consistent for fifty real-world years?

Fascinating. You do understand that it's okay if folks don't agree, yes?

 

[CorporalClegg]

So in the event of contradiction, Discovery wins,

It's the newest iteration. So yes. That's how it works.

 

[DSG2k]

The federation is nearly conquered at the same level as TNG "Yesterday Enterprise". Then some how Discovery connects to TOS, TNG, DS9, and Voyager without a mention of those events?

To paraphrase Martok, "attacking Earth? Even my people never attempted that."

 

[DSG2k]

No, I want YOU to tell me what they are and to quit dodging. You've mentioned the spore drive. What are the other ones?

Cut the posturing nonsense. The only person dodging is you. I already gave you two (plus a freebie one post up) and you plugged your ears.

Reply honestly to any one of them and you can have more, but I am not going to feed a time vampire who wants me off generating lists just so he can ignore them and pretend the post didn't happen.

 

[fireproof78]

So in the event of contradiction, Discovery wins, even when it comes to Klingon starship design which, save for a glowing yellow frying pan thing and one oddly flat design to bookend it, has been pretty consistent for fifty real-world years?

It's not a matter of winning and losing. It's the fact that this is an interstella empire (emphasis on interstellar) and yet some how I am supposed to believe they only have one ship design language? One!???? Forgot transporters. That idea breaks my suspension of disbelief completely.

How could the Enterprise hold speed records?

Light speed records.

You know, kind of like how there are ground speed records, airspeed records, on foot records, by boat records, etc.

All of these definitions rely upon very binary and black and white thinking rather than allowing the world of Star Trek to be expanded upon.​

 

[DSG2k]

Not even close.

Correct. Earth's situation in Discovery was *worse* than the "Yesterday's" example.

 

[Longinus]

It's the newest iteration. So yes. That's how it works.

No it isn't.

 

[fireproof78]

No it isn't.

Sure it is. Seen Roddenberry and the Klingons, or Roddenberry and the humans of TNG or Roddenberry and death, etc.

 

[Vger23]

All of these definitions rely upon very binary and black and white thinking rather than allowing the world of Star Trek to be expanded upon.​

But if it allows me to discredit DSC and rationalize my opinion, it's fully admissible and reasonable.







Right??

Sure it is. Seen Roddenberry and the Klingons, or Roddenberry and the humans of TNGf or Roddenberry and death, etc.

You're right. Star Trek has always been like this.

 

[DSG2k]

My usual answer to this sort of thing (aside from one similar to yours) is, with the amount of starships out there -- not to mention nearly a century passing between Discovery and The Next Generation onward, does one REALLY think that each officer on each starship or space station, respectively, knows every bit of Federation history?

Data, yes, absolutely. But, even then, within what context is it necessary to mention? In Way of the Warrior is there a scene we never saw where Bashir and O'Brien are sitting in Quark's and say to one another, "Remember reading in history about the Klingon-Federation war? That USS Discovery and its spore drive really saved the day. We wouldn't be here without it!"

This is absolutely true.

Remember that time in 1995 when we were two minutes from Yeltsin launching nukes?

There's a lot of history that doesn't get talked about or referenced often, even when known. That's why a higher standard is warranted. However, it would be very weird if jet engines were developed in WW2, Mach 1 happened thereafter, and everyone used propellers in a show set in 2045 complaining that they couldn't go faster than sound.

At that point, you've gotta ask "dubyatieff?"

 

[fireproof78]

Unless its fiction, in which case, major ground breaking tech gets shelved all the time.