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Spoilers Season 2 Trailer

Oh, it's more than that. But in any case, I suspect their goal is to transition even further over time. By design or accident they had already softened her look a bit since the pilot. Note the different secondary nostril sweep angle, cheek prominence, and Botox-lip scowl.

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We'll see.

How many times did TNG "reboot the reboot" when they modified and streamlined Worf's makeup and costume season to season? How about Dax's spots changing? Modifications to various sets that are inexplicable?

Does Star Trek IV take place in a different universe because the BoP bridge is completely and utterly different in every conceivable way from where it was in Star Trek III?

C'mon man. It's ok not to like it, but let's not grasp at the absurdities like makeup changes to justify that it's a "reboot" or whatever your platform is here.
 
How many times did TNG "reboot the reboot" when they modified and streamlined Worf's makeup and costume season to season? How about Dax's spots changing? Modifications to various sets that are inexplicable?

Does Star Trek IV take place in a different universe because the BoP bridge is completely and utterly different in every conceivable way from where it was in Star Trek III?

C'mon man. It's ok not to like it, but let's not grasp at the absurdities like makeup changes to justify that it's a "reboot" or whatever your platform is here.
It's more that DISCO is evil and cannot adjust like prior Treks did ;)
 
Indeed. They changed it too much. Should have stayed closer to the original.
IIRC, Pixel thinks it hasn't been changed enough. So you two don't actually agree :lol:

(please correct me if I'm wrong PixelMagic, I might have confused you with another user.)
 
So...what are the primary elements we know about so far?

<POTENTIAL SPOILERS.....>



- Galactic anomalies mystery to be solved
- Recovery of a lost ship
- Advanced beings or visions of some sort (linked to anomalies is implied?)
- Klingons play a role (specifically Tyler and L'Rell return)
- Pike, Number One
- Spock plays a significant role
- MirrorGeorgiou / Section 31
- Culber's story is not finished
- Sarek will be seen again (and Amanda)
- Talosians

EDIT: - And didn't early reports/photos have gravestones at some colony of some sort?


What do you all think...? It seems...well...dense...to put it mildly. And it's 2 less episodes than last season (although there's no 2-episode prologue handicap, admittedly, as well as no mid-season break).

I hope the hell this all fits together somehow.
 
Those pictures of L'Rell indeed do show they were already toning down her makeup a bit around the mouth prior to the end of the season. Though her lips look even thinner now.

Honestly, I dunno if it's the weird green lighting, her ridge pattern, or the unusually low hairline they gave her, but she looks a lot less like a Klingon than she did last season. It's not an issue with the redesign, but her makeup, because the white-haired dude certainly does look like one.
 
So...what are the primary elements we know about so far?

<POTENTIAL SPOILERS.....>



- Galactic anomalies mystery to be solved
- Recovery of a lost ship
- Advanced beings or visions of some sort
- Klingons play a role (specifically Tyler and L'Rell)
- Pike, Number One
- Spock plays a significant role
- MirrorGeorgiou / Section 31
- Culber's story is not finished
- Sarek will be seen again (and Amanda)
- Talosians


What do you all think...? It seems...well...dense...to put it mildly. And it's 2 less episodes than last season (although there's no 2-episode prologue handicap, admittedly, as well as no mid-season break).

I hope the hell this all fits together somehow.

It also appears Stamets was extracting something out of Tilly. Maybe related to a certain green spore from Season 1?
 
What do you all think...? It seems...well...dense...to put it mildly. And it's 2 less episodes than last season (although there's no 2-episode prologue handicap, admittedly, as well as no mid-season break).
It's a lot to pack in to a season, that's for sure. I'm wondering if Pike is partially driven by figuring out what happened to Spock, perhaps related to the lost ship? I'm getting kind of a Clues-esque (TNG episode, not the board game or movie) vibe that each piece will link in to the next in some way.

At least, I'm hoping so.
 
It's a lot to pack in to a season, that's for sure. I'm wondering if Pike is partially driven by figuring out what happened to Spock, perhaps related to the lost ship? I'm getting kind of a Clues-esque (TNG episode, not the board game or movie) vibe that each piece will link in to the next in some way.

At least, I'm hoping so.

Yeah...it gives me a Clues / The Chase / TFF / DS9 Prophets combo vibe for various reasons.

And (for me anyway) none of that is bad IF done well.
 
Yeah...it gives me a Clues / The Chase / TFF / DS9 Prophets combo vibe for various reasons.

And (for me anyway) none of that is bad IF done well.
Even if done middle of the road or just fair I will be OK with it.

I think the best example of what might be of interest to me is something a long the lines of Daredevil Season 1. I know how its going to shape out (it's freaking Daredevil!) but the different pieces they set out are slowly expanded upon and then drawn back together.
 
Even if done middle of the road or just fair I will be OK with it.

I think the best example of what might be of interest to me is something a long the lines of Daredevil Season 1. I know how its going to shape out (it's freaking Daredevil!) but the different pieces they set out are slowly expanded upon and then drawn back together.

I feel similarly. I'm excited about (and automatically giving them credit for) the effort for trying something different. I was really bummed when I heard that DSC was going to be about "Klingon War," and amazingly ended up enjoying it anyway. I'm hoping now that I'm behind the premise at an early stage...I enjoy S2 even more.
 
C'mon man. It's ok not to like it, but let's not grasp at the absurdities like makeup changes to justify that it's a "reboot" or whatever your platform is here.

Now, now, don't "c'mon man" me after such obvious straw-manning and feigning of ignorance of all the continuity issues Discovery has. Discovery is a perfectly fine show in its own continuity just as surely as The Orville or The Expanse are. The only difference is that it is a Star Trek branded entertainment product that uses a few elements of the intellectual property whereas they do not.

How many times did TNG "reboot the reboot" when they modified and streamlined Worf's makeup and costume season to season?

Zero, of course. Such an argument would be nonsense, though I *have* seen STD fans claim the Trek universe already rebooted upon the appearance of TMP Klingons, ST6 Klingons, TNG Klingons, et cetera.

How about Dax's spots changing?

Zero, of course. Such an argument would be nonsense, though I *have* seen STD fans claim the TNG era rebooted when the bumpy-headed Trill went spotty.

Modifications to various sets that are inexplicable?

Just out of curiosity, what do you mean, if not the below?

Does Star Trek IV take place in a different universe because the BoP bridge is completely and utterly different in every conceivable way from where it was in Star Trek III?

Nope. Again, that argument would be silly.
 
Those pictures of L'Rell indeed do show they were already toning down her makeup a bit around the mouth prior to the end of the season. Though her lips look even thinner now.

Honestly, I dunno if it's the weird green lighting, her ridge pattern, or the unusually low hairline they gave her, but she looks a lot less like a Klingon than she did last season. It's not an issue with the redesign, but her makeup, because the white-haired dude certainly does look like one.

I felt she looked younger, really . . . almost doe-eyed compared to the calculating Other from early S1. The make-up change may play in to the storytelling in that regard.

Anyway, thanks for enjoying the info I came to share.
 
The peace-hair concept is nonsense, of course, given the Klingon kids seen in flashbacks, mirror Voq, et cetera.

I see someone else noticed the de-Botoxing of the lips in a reply to Ricky Spanish, but I haven't seen anyone notice that the image of (who's said to be) L'Rell actually has different ridgework along with softer features overall. Note the area between the eyes and just up, where a V replaces the old shape.

STD2-L'Rell1.png


With these changes, the Disco Klingons are going from elongated-skulled hairless half-blind fat-ridged quadri-nostrilled botox-lipped over-toothed jagged-and-gnarly-necked ridge-shouldered beclawed scaly-gnarled-cleavaged double-wanged quasi-race-caricatures that come in various shades of "bruise" to a somewhat smaller set of those traits.

(Unlike T'Kuvma, L'Rell was never half-blinded by brow overhang, but it looks like they're shrinking the forehead along with the lips anyway. Her cheekbones are still built up some and her neck is still hideously gnarly but overall she is now a good couple of steps closer to the proper Klingon look, albeit with many more to go. (Of course, it's a shame Chieffo is hidden at all, but still.))

Now, some are complaining that STD infidels like me just can't be satisfied, often as part of the larger campaigns (e.g. on Twitter) to question our fandom or human worth altogether for not believing CBS hung the moon with this show. That they are changing STD stuff… adding in the classic Klingon ship design, 'painting over' the Discovery uniforms in yellow, and toning down the Klingon make-up… is supposed to allay our concerns at the same time as they show a very different and upscaled Discoprise.

The thing is, that sort of thing only makes it worse. Changing Discovery *now* only reboots the reboot, as it were, via extensive retconning. Like the original weaponized-canon-policy marketing claim that Discovery was supposed to be Prime, the changes reek of dishonesty as surely as a suspect changing their story under interrogation. All it appears to be is an attempt to muddy the waters by abandoning the previous artistic integrity.

They should've kept on keeping on and just acknowledged the reboot. It would've been the better choice to end the fandom conflicts the nonsensical Prime claim caused, because then everyone could've enjoyed the show on its own merits.

Or, to paraphrase a certain captain, "if we can have honesty, it's easier to overlook mistakes."

Spoken like fact, but, nothing but theories and assumptions.

Discovery is not, nor will it ever be, a reboot. The show takes place in the prime timeline after Enterprise and The Cage and before the Original Series. And I accept that because the producer's have said so. I don't believe they are "lying" as an excuse to redesign anything, retcon, or what have you.

Just tell me, please, why is it ok (or maybe it wasn't?) that the Klingons get redesigned for The Motion Picture? Why is it ok that the Romulans suddenly have forehead ridges in The Next Generation era? Why is it OK that the Borg get a massive visual makeover for First Contact and Voyager?

And if you think CBS is changing things up to appeal to complainers to earn their "trust", I'm sorry to tell you, I highly doubt that is the case. Complainers now laugh at this because they somehow feel vindicated that their complaining was "heard" by CBS and everything they hated about Discovery was changed for them.
 
Now, now, don't "c'mon man" me after such obvious straw-manning and feigning of ignorance of all the continuity issues Discovery has. Discovery is a perfectly fine show in its own continuity just as surely as The Orville or The Expanse are. The only difference is that it is a Star Trek branded entertainment product that uses a few elements of the intellectual property whereas they do not.



Zero, of course. Such an argument would be nonsense, though I *have* seen STD fans claim the Trek universe already rebooted upon the appearance of TMP Klingons, ST6 Klingons, TNG Klingons, et cetera.



Zero, of course. Such an argument would be nonsense, though I *have* seen STD fans claim the TNG era rebooted when the bumpy-headed Trill went spotty.



Just out of curiosity, what do you mean, if not the below?



Nope. Again, that argument would be silly.
Your argument is just as silly as the ones you're calling silly.
 
Now, now, don't "c'mon man" me after such obvious straw-manning and feigning of ignorance of all the continuity issues Discovery has. Discovery is a perfectly fine show in its own continuity just as surely as The Orville or The Expanse are. The only difference is that it is a Star Trek branded entertainment product that uses a few elements of the intellectual property whereas they do not.



Zero, of course. Such an argument would be nonsense, though I *have* seen STD fans claim the Trek universe already rebooted upon the appearance of TMP Klingons, ST6 Klingons, TNG Klingons, et cetera.



Zero, of course. Such an argument would be nonsense, though I *have* seen STD fans claim the TNG era rebooted when the bumpy-headed Trill went spotty.



Just out of curiosity, what do you mean, if not the below?



Nope. Again, that argument would be silly.

Then I supposed Star Trek V and VI must take place in different universes because the bridge of the Enterprise is different in each film.
 
been keeping an eye out for changes to the sets in season 2. other than the new corridor we saw in the first trailer, i noticed they revamped the little blue LED alcove on the bridge (left, behind pike):
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it now has GNDN (or whatever) conduits like in the corridors, rather than just banks and banks of pointless blinking blue lights.
 
Zero, of course. Such an argument would be nonsense, though I *have* seen STD fans claim the Trek universe already rebooted upon the appearance of TMP Klingons, ST6 Klingons, TNG Klingons, et cetera.
Because that's exactly what they did, with GR stating that Klingons were always meant to appear that way. So, which one is the more accurate and why should we respect one over the other?
 
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