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Starship design history in light of Discovery

That's a false dichotomy. If you watch The Expanse, you'll see a show that features both realistic space physics (aside from an imaginary high-acceleration rocket system) and plenty of action. And there are tons of military SF novels out there that are loaded with action built around realistic space physics. Just because most movie and TV producers are too lazy and unimaginative to try it doesn't mean their way is intrinsically better.

If anything, what's boring to me is seeing the same old space-battle cliches over and over. Acknowledging real physics can let you make a combat scene interesting in ways that would never occur to someone who was just copying a naval battle or a WWII dogfight. Like the harrowing scene in an Expanse episode where a character neglected to lock down a rack of tools before a space battle and the occupants of the ship were mortally endangered by the loose tools being flung around the cabin as the ship applied changing thrust at multiple gravities. That was a lot more exciting than just tilting the camera and having the actors fall out of their chairs.

I had a thought the other day that Star Trek missed an interesting opportunity. What if someone very early on had applied some real thought to inventing a novel system of combat in warp drive? Trek usually just ignores the difference between maneuvering at warp and maneuvering at sublight, even though it makes no sense to treat them the same way. A ship at warp is in a pocket of spacetime moving FTL relative to the surrounding space. If one ship at warp fired a phaser beam at another ship at warp, it should have no effect, since the phaser beam would have to travel slower than light through the normal space between the two ships' warp bubbles. So taking that limitation into account would've required creating an imaginative set of battle tactics for fighting at warp, something more complex and challenging and novel than just firing a broadside from the port cannons. And there are all sorts of other ways that an imaginative tech consultant could've defined rules for warp combat that would make it distinctive, like maybe limitations on the ability to detect a ship at warp so that it could be used for stealth attacks. Or maybe being in warp creates a blind spot that an enemy can exploit.

Of course, given all the different creators that have worked on Trek over the decades, with differing levels of knowledge or concern for plausible science, you wouldn't have wanted such a warp combat system to be too complicated. But if someone early in the game had concocted a few firm rules and protocols -- you can do this, you can't do that, you follow this procedure to get that result -- then it could've been standardized as easily as, say, transporter rules like "You have to lock onto someone with sensors to transport them" or "You need to drop shields first." And it could've let them create a combat system that was unique to Star Trek and different from anything else out there. That's certainly not boring. Everyone doing space battles the same way is what's boring.
Yeah...
Well...,
Fortunately for me I guess, I don't watch Sci-fi and/or Action movies in order to delve deeply into the inner workings of the whole process of making the movie or the fundamental thought process' of the creators when writing their screenplays.
Nor do I have any interest in thoroughly dissecting what I watch in general, beyond my interest in creating interesting ways for the Trek minutiae, to all fit together in some semi-logical manner. (i.e 'head-canon')

All of which, I would suppose, comes with being an exceptionally talented and successful writer of novels in this day and age.
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Fortunately for me I guess, I don't watch Sci-fi and/or Action movies in order to delve deeply into the inner workings of the whole process of making the movie or the fundamental thought process' of the creators when writing their screenplays.
Nor do I have any interest in thoroughly dissecting what I watch in general, beyond my interest in creating interesting ways for the Trek minutiae, to all fit together in some semi-logical manner. (i.e 'head-canon')

You don't have to do any of that yourself. What I'm saying is, if the creators of the stuff you watch were more willing to do that sort of thing, it would let them come up with novel ways of depicting space battles that would probably be more interesting for you as a viewer, not because you had to understand the physics behind them, but simply because it would be something new, something different than just the same old space-battle cliches you've seen in a hundred other shows and movies. It would add to the repertoire in a way that lazy duplication of past tropes does not.
 
I like the duplication of past tropes.
I'm old and have grown up being entertained by all of them over and over again since the days of The Rifleman, I Dream of Jeannie and Bugs Bunny/Roadrunner Hour.
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How much more recent - to Burnham and company's POV - is Defiant 1764?

The Defiant had to have been in service during DSC, since when the diagram of the Terran Empire-refitted version appeared on the screen, nobody acted like they’d never heard of it before, right?
 
The Defiant had to have been in service during DSC, since when the diagram of the Terran Empire-refitted version appeared on the screen, nobody acted like they’d never heard of it before, right?

Someone (I think Saru?) says it is currently out on patrol. So they def recognize the Defiant herself.
 
Saru mentions that at last report the Defiant was on patrol in Sector 6(?). She's definitely known and in service at the time.
 
The bottom of the Malachowski in STO, those windows below the deflector, reminds me of the Shenzhou's bridge.

more images here

https://imgur.com/a/vSDal32
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I'm not a real fan of most of the ships so far from DISCOVERY, but I think I'm going to like flying them in STO.
Go figure...
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Well they haven't activated tribble testing for DSC characters, it was in a blog and a live stream yesterday.

They did accidentally enable the ship in the vendor though, which is how I got those picture above.
 
Well they haven't activated tribble testing for DSC characters, it was in a blog and a live stream yesterday.

They did accidentally enable the ship in the vendor though, which is how I got those picture above.
Cool.
And typical of CRYPTIC's usual Quality Control.
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Define Pre-TOS, because the Connie was launched around 20 years before Where No Man Has Gone Before, so wouldn't that make it Pre-TOS?
 
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Unfortunately, it also makes the ship look like it was built post-TMP, not pre-TOS (but then again its normal textures make it look like that too.)

No reason to assume that all Starfleet vessels' design elements changed simultaneously between TOS and TMP. After all, we never really saw anything other than Constitution-class ships in TOS/TAS, aside from the odd freighter and shuttle, so maybe the other design style already existed in ships we didn't see. Maybe it doesn't represent an advancement, just a difference in approach.
 
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