Klingons are different to the Federation though. They prefer to stick to one design and keep it going for years and years.
Enterprise-D destruction
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Riker wanted to ram everything. Boom-chikka-bow-bow.
(I'm sorry, it was just too obvious a setup line.
)I always assumed the Ent-D was destroyed since the TNG sets were going to be reconstructed or torn down for Voyager.
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That would be a practical reason. However, there is nothing to say the 1701-D sets couldn't have simply become something kept in storage and reconstructed when needed. After all, that's exactly what the 1701-E sets were, they weren't "standing sets" like the ones used on Voyager and DS9, so the practical cost of simply keeping the 1701-D stage flats in a warehouse and wheeling them back out every few years wouldn't have been any different to doing what they did with 1701-E's sets.
Opinion is divided on the matter
But while I loved having a kickass new ship when I was 13 years old and 1701-E made her screen debut, in hindsight I feel like a huge part of TNG's particular character came from that familiar ship and that 1701-D remains iconic in a way 1701-E isn't and, therefore, removing her actually hurt the subsequent movies. I also believe seeing the safe, familiar 1701-D sets gradually Borgified in FC would've hit an emotional note that seeing it happen to a new ship we're barely familiar with doesn't. 
It does irk me a bit that they do something as potentially interesting as start Borgifying the ship...but then we only really see the bridge (not Borgified), Engineering and corridors.
If they had kept the E-D around, seeing familiar sets Borgified would have been much more visceral.
If they had kept the E-D around, seeing familiar sets Borgified would have been much more visceral.
As I said above (I do not blame anyone who missed it in a thread this long), the reasons I have heard are that the sets would need to be completely rebuilt anyway. The existing sets looked good on television, but would not look good on film. I had always assumed this was things like the rubber duck in the shuttle bay on the cross-section of the ship: the set was riddled with jokes that only worked because on TV they were illegible. But recently someone mentioned things like the different aspect ratios might be an issue.
Bottom line: the sets had been designed to look good on television and film has different criteria.
The same with the uniforms: again, I don't know what all of the problems were, but the existing TNG uniforms didn't work for film. Since they didn't have the budget for new uniforms, they borrowed DS9 uniforms which at least hid their seams better as they were mostly black.
And that leads me to speculate that the same was true of the model for the ship: for whatever reason it was deemed unsuitable for film, so it would need to be replaced. And it was going to be hard to convince the studio to pay for a new model of a ship they already had a model of, so the decision was to destroy the Galaxy Class ship and replace it with something new, which conveniently would also explain the new sets.
The TNG uniforms looked fine on film. They're used in the finished movie and hold up better than the DS9 unis do. While I can kinda see the argument about the sets, although I'll simply make the case they look fine in high definition on Blu Ray when projected on a big screen and leave it at that (), the uniforms were fine. I like to think they just didn't like the new ones they'd designed for the movie and panicked, hence someone press ganging the DS9 unis into service. Or else the plan to use them on Voyager was well underway and they wanted to show starship crew transitioning to the new unis in order to explain why Janeway and crew are not wearing the TNG ones (which IMHO was kind of an error too 
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), the uniforms were fine. I like to think they just didn't like the new ones they'd designed for the movie and panicked, hence someone press ganging the DS9 unis into service. Or else the plan to use them on Voyager was well underway and they wanted to show starship crew transitioning to the new unis in order to explain why Janeway and crew are not wearing the TNG ones (which IMHO was kind of an error too )
Erm. They pretty much did
It was more a 50/50 mix of entirely new sets and TNG sets that were refitted to varying degrees, from what I recall. At the very least, TNG's corridor sets were given a pretty light make-over for use on Voyager, and so was the holodeck.
Generations might have been better had they just eliminated the Klingons from the plot entirely, and replaced them with the Romulans. The trilithium Soran needs belongs to them, and they could have struck a deal where he "weaponizes" it for them, while also getting to use some of it for his own plans. This way you'd have the Enterprise-D facing a D'deridex-class warbird, with Tomalak as their opponent, instead of the comedy Klingons we ended up with.
Actually, they’re the same as the Federation, since based on evidence from TNG and DS9, they kept the Excelsior, Miranda, Constellation, Sydney and Oberth classes going for years and years.
I never really saw Tomalak as someone who outright hated the Enterprise-D crew and wanted to destroy the ship. Sela, on the other hand, would have fit that bill perfectly, and I certainly would not have minded her ship getting blown up. But then we wouldn’t have gotten that awesome TUC BoP explosion stock footage!
I believe the only all-new set is the bridge. Everything else was heavily redressed from TNG's sets, which were themselves reused from TMP and even Phase II.
That said, they are significantly redressed, which wouldn't have been cheap. The basic floorplan, frames and lighting rigs formed the basis of Voyager's sets. Deep Space Nine was built from scratch of course.
Caretaker cost an absolute fortune because they ended up reshooting certain scenes - for the Bujold misstep, and also a lot of the Ocampa location scenes had to be reshot because the film had been overexposed or something.
I never really saw Tomalak as someone who outright hated the Enterprise-D crew and wanted to destroy the ship. Sela, on the other hand, would have fit that bill perfectly, and I certainly would not have minded her ship getting blown up. But then we wouldn’t have gotten that awesome TUC BoP explosion stock footage!
Tomalak loves the Enterprise-D
The Romulans end up being a bit of a red herring in the film. It might have been cool to come up with an original Romulan villain for the movie rather than bringing back a familiar face like Sela, who was pretty rubbish on the show anyway. I mean Denise Crosby wouldn't be my first choice to star in a major motion picture. I wonder how the Duras sisters played with people who hadn't seen the show or didn't remember their specific episodes? Must have seemed a bit strange. They're basically generic henchmen for Soran I guess.
That was my impression. They kept the bones, and few bits were repurposed (partially for sentimentality, the transporter room includes panels from Kirks enterprise, the TOS one I believe, stuck in the ceiling. And the engineering set is on the same spot, but basically everything is in the same spots, just new sets.
Tomalak loves the Enterprise-D
The Romulans end up being a bit of a red herring in the film. It might have been cool to come up with an original Romulan villain for the movie rather than bringing back a familiar face like Sela, who was pretty rubbish on the show anyway. I mean Denise Crosby wouldn't be my first choice to star in a major motion picture. I wonder how the Duras sisters played with people who hadn't seen the show or didn't remember their specific episodes? Must have seemed a bit strange. They're basically generic henchmen for Soran I guess.
That’s the thing: the movie isn’t about the Duras sisters, or even Sela for that matter, or any other new Romulan villain they might have come up with. It was about Soran trying to return to the Nexus. As you say, they were really just Soran’s hench(wo)men who were always meant to die in the battle against the Enterprise.
You mean you did t want the scene where the marooned enterprise d crew negotiate for supplies with the also marooned Klingons, and Data has to shag them? Because I believe that was the plan at one point. Instinct says that was Bragas idea.
First I’ve heard of that. Source?
There was a subplot in an earlier draft with the Klingons crashing on Veridian III as well, and Riker fighting off a Klingon attack in the wrecked Enterprise.
However, Data shagging them is news to me.
Edit - here's Ron Moore.
From an old AOL chat he did in 1998.
However, Data shagging them is news to me.
Edit - here's Ron Moore.
From an old AOL chat he did in 1998.
No idea. I remember reading it. Data was supposed to wander out of the brush, say ‘negotiations successfully opened sir’ and his arm fall off. Think it was an interview. I read and collected a lot of the publicity materials for generations, so could have been in that lot, could have been elsewhere. Tomalak mentions some of the other stuff.
May have been the wired interview with Braga where he flounces off to read the Marquis De Sade, but I believe that was more Voyager focused. Unsurprisingly,
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