Fandom is so toxic right now

[Jayson1]

That's not what a plothole is, it seems like you're just trying to create excuses to justify it. A plothole isn't something that doesn't make sense, it's a major flaw in the story where it ruins the movie. This is a common problem.

Your right in that plothole does seem to not be the right word. I guess a flaw would be accurate but I wouldn't say it's a major one. It doesn't really impact the story that much. I don't think were are suppose to think he carries these drugs around because he is a sexual creep either. I think a shortcut might be a better label. It's not their to say anything about the character but simply serve as a means of getting the Dana character to go to sleep.

Jason

 

[Gov Kodos]

He's quite the charming sleazebag, isn't he. I think people like him for knowingly skirting the edge of acceptable behaviour with the presumed joking threat that he could cross the line and switch into Mr Hyde mode.

Peter Venkman is a consummate snowball artist right from the beginning of the movie and it's only events that keep him from being kicked out of the university for his bogus research, established in his opening scene, to the fraud the whole ghostbuster's business would have been had Gozer not shown up. However, this is a comedy so, like Big Bang Theory, the characters don't really hold up to scrutiny as kosher people when taken seriously.

 

[Jayson1]

The amount of what can - at the absolutely very best - be described as 'sexual impropriety' that's littered throughout the classic pop we all love is astounding. And, of course, a good portion of it is really criminal assault. I mean, go back and pick a movie and watch it with a stern eye. You'll probably find something that doesn't pass the past-woke-test. And I think that is has persisted for so long as such regularity and treated with such frivolity is a big reason why it's still such a problem in culture. I think it's a really good example of how pop culture's influence is much more profound than many people realize.


I think you need to go watch Quantum Leap again.

I disagree that tv and movies have this kind of impact. People always say things like that. Rock and Roll is a bad influence on teenagers or video games make people violent. TV and movies reflect culture and humanity but it doesn't make us who we are. I think it is does appeal to our darker sides in a safe way which I think does more good than bad. As bad as people are they were much worst in the past. I would rather watch a Western than actually live back in the day and live through a Western.

Jason

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

I disagree that tv and movies have this kind of impact. People always say things like that. Rock and Roll is a bad influence on teenagers or video games make people violent. TV and movies reflect culture and humanity but it doesn't make us who we are. I think it is does appeal to our darker sides in a safe way which I think does more good than bad. As bad as people are they were much worst in the past. I would rather watch a Western than actually live back in the day and live through a Western.

Jason

Political correctness is fine and dandy for Vulcans. Humans appear to be largely driven by hormonal instinct and then, in retrospect, try to rationalise socially unacceptable behaviour, claiming fake news or just deny, deny, deny. Hardly anyone owns up to being bad, except maybe Michael Jackson, but only in areas where he wasn't actually bad.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Peter Venkman is a consummate snowball artist right from the beginning of the movie and it's only events that keep him from being kicked out of the university for his bogus research, established in his opening scene, to the fraud the whole ghostbuster's business would have been had Gozer not shown up. However, this is a comedy so, like Big Bang Theory, the characters don't really hold up to scrutiny as kosher people when taken seriously.

See also: Seinfeld. The whole point of the finale was that these people are monumental assholes.

 

[Jayson1]

It brings up a question I have wondered about. Are assholes more interesting than good people in fiction? I think they are. Or maybe in some cases I would say people who are capable of being assholes but aren't always the case because characters are suppose to have depth afterall. It's really hard for many tv characters from the 50's to the 80's and even the 90's to compete with a Tony Soprano,Walter White,Selina Meyer,Saul Goodman,The Seinfeld crew or the It's Always Sunny in Philidelpha gang,Kenny Powers etc.
Granted more decent people can still be interesting but you got to really give them some serious flaws as well and if you go all in on goodness with your lead you still need that asshole type in the show like a Quark, Spike,Al from QL, Starbuck,Paper Boi etc and these characters often become fan favorites.

Jason

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Goody two-shoes characters are boring as fuck. Give me a dose of Al Swearengen or similar any time.

 

[Jayson1]

Goody two-shoes characters are boring as fuck. Give me a dose of Al Swearengen or similar any time.

Well they serve a point. Kirk wouldn't be Kirk without Spock. Al works so well because Sam and him are the very opposite of each other. On "Arrested Development" Micheal is kind of the straight man in which the zannies playoff. They can often represent the heart or the brain of a show but they are hard to make look like realistic people instead of just nice safe tv characters created for the sake of not offending anyone.

Jason

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Well they serve a point. Kirk wouldn't be Kirk without Spock. Al works so well because Sam and him are the very opposite of each other. On "Arrested Development" Micheal is kind of the straight man in which the zannies playoff. They can often represent the heart or the brain of a show but they are hard to make look like realistic people instead of just nice safe tv characters created for the sake of not offending anyone.

Jason

Which is why the added dose of such characters is essential for my entertainment. I wouldn't suggest emulating them. Spock has to cope with Pon Farr and other similar moments so he can veer off the straight and narrow.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Angelus was far more entertaining than Angel.

 

[Jayson1]

I agree about Angelus but I think Angel himself become more interesting once he got his own show and was actually made into a actual character instead of just being a sexy love interest for Buffy. Angel is a good example of what many female characters have been trapped into being over the years. Eye candy and their just to be a girlfriend. That was what was great about Whedon. I think Angel on "Buffy" might be the only character used that way. Well I guess Kennedy in the final season of "Buffy" as well.

Jason

 

[mos6507]

Goody two-shoes characters are boring as fuck. Give me a dose of Al Swearengen or similar any time.

Conflict is the essense of drama. A good character by itself is not that interesting. Comforting to think such people still exist, but that's about it. The best male role-model I can think of is Christopher Reeve's Superman. It's the contrast of Superman's way of looking at the world vs. others (Lex Luthor, Zod, or even Supe's father) that make him interesting. The contrast of Gisele's idealism in Enchanted vs. Robert's cynicism as a divorce attorney that makes the movie good.

 

[suarezguy]

See also: Seinfeld. The whole point of the finale was that these people are monumental assholes.

I thought that went too far, I don't think George would have sneered at another overweight person, at least another overweight man.

 

[Jayson1]

I thought that went too far, I don't think George would have sneered at another overweight person.

George once got really happy when Susan dyed licking those letters. I think he would be very capable of it.

Jason

 

[JD]

The amount of what can - at the absolutely very best - be described as 'sexual impropriety' that's littered throughout the classic pop we all love is astounding. And, of course, a good portion of it is really criminal assault. I mean, go back and pick a movie and watch it with a stern eye. You'll probably find something that doesn't pass the past-woke-test. And I think that is has persisted for so long as such regularity and treated with such frivolity is a big reason why it's still such a problem in culture. I think it's a really good example of how pop culture's influence is much more profound than many people realize.


I think you need to go watch Quantum Leap again.

Anyone else here watch the '90s British sitcom Keeping Up Appearances. There was a recurring guy on there who popped up occasionally, and harassed the main character endlessly when he did, to a point that goes way beyond creepy today. It was played for laughs at the time, but now it just feels really wrong.

 

[Butters]

Anyone else here watch the '90s British sitcom Keeping Up Appearances. There was a recurring guy on there who popped up occasionally, and harassed the main character endlessly when he did, to a point that goes way beyond creepy today. It was played for laughs at the time, but now it just feels really wrong.

The bucket woman? I don’t remember any one harassing her. The only recurring males I remember were the husband, Oslo (Eddie Yates), and the pianist neighbour,

 

[Armus]

 

[USS Firefly]

I loved that show when I was young

 

[Kelthaz]

Anyone else here watch the '90s British sitcom Keeping Up Appearances. There was a recurring guy on there who popped up occasionally, and harassed the main character endlessly when he did, to a point that goes way beyond creepy today. It was played for laughs at the time, but now it just feels really wrong.

The main character was the one who was harassing everyone else. That was the point of the show. Are you thinking of something else perchance?

 

[suarezguy]

Anyone else here watch the '90s British sitcom Keeping Up Appearances. There was a recurring guy on there who popped up occasionally, and harassed the main character endlessly when he did, to a point that goes way beyond creepy today. It was played for laughs at the time, but now it just feels really wrong.

The commodore; yes it does feel creepy (it was probably meant to be funny but wrong even back then) but I think Hyacinth would always, while resisting the advances, try to not totally or clearly reject him, would very much try to keep him as an acquaintance for the sake of social position/advancement.