Maybe this issue was part of the Khitomer Treaty. Perhaps Section 31 or Starfleet and the Klingon Intelligence Network arranged for a mutual classification of this issue for some reasons.
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Discovery jumping into Kronos cave contradicts TNG Pegasus
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Maybe this issue was part of the Khitomer Treaty. Perhaps Section 31 or Starfleet and the Klingon Intelligence Network arranged for a mutual classification of this issue for some reasons.
They apparently classified their trip to the Mirror Universe.
Why should we think this would be an incident worth mentioning? We see "blow up the planet" plots often enough; such incidents are likely to be common, in an era where a single starship can terminate a civilization if left unchecked (i.e. any era since ENT).
Starfleet and the Klingons no doubt play dirty tricks on each other often enough that nobody can really keep tabs. Heck, ENT already featured many a devious plot. These are simply the bread and butter of the defense organizations, and warrant little mention outside their professional circles and little awe or anger within.
The point in both cases at the stage the "hole in space" dialogue was used was that there was no sensor data from within whatsoever. This makes it very difficult to believe in a distinction...
Kirk's menace read as "energy turbulence" initially, though, with "some form of energy" the sensors cannot identify, while Data sees a void "without energy of any kind". Enough for our pedantic android? "Holes in space" are common enough as such: there are many types of wormhole, there are black holes and "what they used to call black holes" and timeholes and so forth... The connection to Kirk's find should not be obvious. But it ought to be a first guess anyway for Data, who's capable of recognizing the non-obvious.
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Starfleet and the Klingons no doubt play dirty tricks on each other often enough that nobody can really keep tabs. Heck, ENT already featured many a devious plot. These are simply the bread and butter of the defense organizations, and warrant little mention outside their professional circles and little awe or anger within.
The point in both cases at the stage the "hole in space" dialogue was used was that there was no sensor data from within whatsoever. This makes it very difficult to believe in a distinction...
Kirk's menace read as "energy turbulence" initially, though, with "some form of energy" the sensors cannot identify, while Data sees a void "without energy of any kind". Enough for our pedantic android? "Holes in space" are common enough as such: there are many types of wormhole, there are black holes and "what they used to call black holes" and timeholes and so forth... The connection to Kirk's find should not be obvious. But it ought to be a first guess anyway for Data, who's capable of recognizing the non-obvious.
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The super weapon that single-handedly defeated the Klingon Empire in a war we never heard about bothers me, the flub mentioned in the original post doesn't.
We just all have different tolerances for how things line up.
A grizzled, time travelling Neelix is found in a crashed Starfleet shuttle that reads NCC-74656...
Michael approaches him and he embraces her.
“Good to meet you!” He cries as he grabs her in a bear hug.
“this method of greeting is illogical” deadpans Michael.
“Illogical?” cries Neelix, “well I’ll have to call you ‘Ms Vulcan’!”
Neelix went on to become the president of the federation, but his immense level of cringe meant that the council decided that nobody should ever have to experience it ever again so they classified the whole thing.
Ethan Phillips to reprise his iconic role as “Space Hobbit”.
I might not always be correct about historical specifics, but this is Data we're talking about. A super-intelligent android who seemingly knows everything.
He can certainly regurgitate anything, but that doesn't make the source correct. See: The High Ground
Trek could probably use someone like the Holocron guy that used to work for Lucasfilm, maintaining continuity.
but honestly the writers shouldn't have to have a trackless depth of knowledge of every single throaway line ever made in the show to keep the fandamentalists happy. You can't keep them happy anyway. They derive pleasure from grouching.
The specifically don't watch the show or subscribe to the service and STILL grouch about it. It's like taking part constantly on a modern aviation enthusiasts' discussion only to constantly say "I don't like planes. Never have never will. Montgolfier balloons rule. Planes.. suck. And helicopters too."
but honestly the writers shouldn't have to have a trackless depth of knowledge of every single throaway line ever made in the show to keep the fandamentalists happy. You can't keep them happy anyway. They derive pleasure from grouching.
The specifically don't watch the show or subscribe to the service and STILL grouch about it. It's like taking part constantly on a modern aviation enthusiasts' discussion only to constantly say "I don't like planes. Never have never will. Montgolfier balloons rule. Planes.. suck. And helicopters too."
I thought Mike Okuda handled this back in the day with the Star Trek Omnipedia.
In any case, Star Wars is even more of a mess after the great Disney reboot. Since Trek always had a consistency about what was canon and what was not, it mostly holds together. Despite what they are saying now, the EU was canon for Star Wars back in the day. By suddenly declaring it non-canon, we have bizarre mishaps such as Asajj Ventress having a history with Skywalker when she never canonically appeared before the Clone Wars movie (all her history with Anakin was in EU material).
No it isn't.
That's just called backstory.
Just because we didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. You don't need the 2003 series to be canon for it to make sense.
Also it wasn't Disney's decision to wipe the canon, it was LucasFilm, and George Lucas and Co. mostly ignored the EU when making Clone Wars and the Prequel trilogy, and he was ignoring the EU when writing his own versions of the Sequels.
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Well we're entitled to our different viewpoints. I'm not going to carry on my arguments from the SW boards (which I left in favor of here) to here. It was my fault for mentioning it so let's just get back to Trek.
I think it's likely that the writers do consult memory alpha, which likely is the best way to handle continuity more than 1 person ever could.
I'm sure they do consult M-A and other sources. They have people on the writing team who do the research.
They probably didn't think one tiny insignificant line from Data 20 years ago was worth adhering to. Or they just missed it, they're only Human. Humans make mistakes.
I didn't even remember it until you brought up it.
They probably didn't think one tiny insignificant line from Data 20 years ago was worth adhering to. Or they just missed it, they're only Human. Humans make mistakes.
I didn't even remember it until you brought up it.
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In the future they probably will have massive supercomputers handling continuity. They'll scan the script and the computer says "Error! Error! There is a continuity contradiction on page 5, line 3 that conflicts with 'A Taste of Armageddon' from February 23, 1967, timeframe 35:06"
I hope not.
Kirk would destroy such a computer, while sarcastically telling it, "I'm not programmed to respond in that area."
Well I guess this explains why Data and everyone have no memory of anything that happened in Discovery and TOS' timeframe (to the point Bashir and O'Brien didn't even know about the Augment virus Klingons). Kirk destroyed every single computer designed to compile such information.
Data's an imperfect computer. While he undoubtedly has access to vast sums of knowledge in Starfleet's database (although not all), his methods of deciphering and sorting through them are incomplete and leave much to be desired.
On multiple occassions, he queries the ship computer himself (see "Darmok" for a notable example). We also see him physically sitting down and scrolling through records (albeit, usually at super-speed), which is a terrible way of downloading information.
If we can excuse away his "hole in space" nonsense, we can ignore his "no ship in a planetary body" assumption. Hell, Data might even know, but is strictly following the letter of the law in protecting classified info.
Data doesn't always live up to his name.
On multiple occassions, he queries the ship computer himself (see "Darmok" for a notable example). We also see him physically sitting down and scrolling through records (albeit, usually at super-speed), which is a terrible way of downloading information.
If we can excuse away his "hole in space" nonsense, we can ignore his "no ship in a planetary body" assumption. Hell, Data might even know, but is strictly following the letter of the law in protecting classified info.
Data doesn't always live up to his name.
