Discovery jumping into Kronos cave contradicts TNG Pegasus

[Yistaan]

In 'Will you take my hand', the season 1 finale of Discovery, we have the Discovery jumping into a cave on the Klingon homeworld, under the surface as part of Starfleet's insane plan to infiltrate and then blow up the Klingon homeworld.

However, in the TNG episode 'The Pegasus', Data is uncertain of taking the Enterprise NCC-1701-D into an asteroid. He says, "I am unaware of any prior situations where a starship was taken so deeply inside a planetary body. There may be unforeseen difficulties."

Are there any explanations? Was Discovery's spore drive and activities still classified up till TNG's timeframe? Or Data isn't well-versed in Starfleet history?

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

The answer is obvious....the Discovery incident was classified along with the whole spore drive thing, the mutant Klingons, the hithertofore unknown MU excursion, toilets on starships, etc, etc.

 

[BillJ]

In 'Will you take my hand', the season 1 finale of Discovery, we have the Discovery jumping into a cave on the Klingon homeworld, under the surface as part of Starfleet's insane plan to infiltrate and then blow up the Klingon homeworld.

Wow. Those last three episodes seem less and less appealing the more I learn about them.

 

[Ovation]

In 'Will you take my hand', the season 1 finale of Discovery, we have the Discovery jumping into a cave on the Klingon homeworld, under the surface as part of Starfleet's insane plan to infiltrate and then blow up the Klingon homeworld.

However, in the TNG episode 'The Pegasus', Data is uncertain of taking the Enterprise NCC-1701-D into an asteroid. He says, "I am unaware of any prior situations where a starship was taken so deeply inside a planetary body. There may be unforeseen difficulties."

Are there any explanations? Was Discovery's spore drive and activities still classified up till TNG's timeframe? Or Data isn't well-versed in Starfleet history?

Real life reason? Writers probably forgot that bit (as I did until you brought it up). In-universe? Probably still classified. There remains classified material today that’s over a century old...not a huge stretch to presume the same in the Trek universe.

 

[Yistaan]

Real life reason? Writers probably forgot that bit (as I did until you brought it up). In-universe? Probably still classified. There remains classified material today that’s over a century old...not a huge stretch to presume the same in the Trek universe.

Even if Starfleet classified it, don't you think the Klingons would have been publicly screaming every chance they got (Battle of Organia, Khitomer talks, etc) about that time Starfleet dishonorably tried to blow them up? I don't think it's something the Klingons would let the Federation forget...

 

[Ovation]

Even if Starfleet classified it, don't you think the Klingons would have been publicly screaming every chance they got (Battle of Organia, Khitomer talks, etc) about that time Starfleet dishonorably tried to blow them up? I don't think it's something the Klingons would let the Federation forget...

Nah. Would make them look weak. Best kept to themselves.

 

[Yistaan]

Nah. Would make them look weak. Best kept to themselves.

Except the Klingons have no problem screaming about other "sneak" attacks that make them look weak, such as the Khitomer massacre that killed Worf's parents.

 

[BillJ]

Real life reason? Writers probably forgot that bit (as I did until you brought it up). In-universe? Probably still classified. There remains classified material today that’s over a century old...not a huge stretch to presume the same in the Trek universe.

All the people involved in a project the magnitude of Discovery, I think you would have a hard time keeping a lid on it for any amount of time.

 

[Groppler Zorn]

In 'Will you take my hand', the season 1 finale of Discovery, we have the Discovery jumping into a cave on the Klingon homeworld, under the surface as part of Starfleet's insane plan to infiltrate and then blow up the Klingon homeworld.

However, in the TNG episode 'The Pegasus', Data is uncertain of taking the Enterprise NCC-1701-D into an asteroid. He says, "I am unaware of any prior situations where a starship was taken so deeply inside a planetary body. There may be unforeseen difficulties."

Are there any explanations? Was Discovery's spore drive and activities still classified up till TNG's timeframe? Or Data isn't well-versed in Starfleet history?

I’d forgotten Data said that.

But as has already been pointed out, DSC played the old “classified” card meaning that they can do whatever they want. Which is fine I suppose.

The TOS episode with the space amoeba had a “hole in space” reference in it - then TNG did the one with Nagilum and they encounter a “hole in space” and Data similarly says “there’s no record of anything like this ever happening to anyone ever”.

Data is a Soong-type canon troll.

There. I said it.

 

[XCV330]

yeah. i don't think starfleet wants one word of the entire incident mentioned.
I always figured the promotions and reinstating Burnham were part of a "keep your mouth shut" deal by Cornwell.

 

[BillJ]

But as has already been pointed out, DSC played the old “classified” card meaning that they can do whatever they want. Which is fine I suppose.

It is what it is. I bet Berman wished he had just started yammering about Enterprise being "classified", would have probably saved him a lot of grief during its run.

 

[Yistaan]

The classified bit still wouldn't explain why the Klingons never told everyone about it later on, especially in future war situations where they had no obligation to keep the Federation's secrets. The Klingons have no restraint screaming about how the Romulans did this or that to them come the 24th century.

 

[BillJ]

The classified bit still wouldn't explain why the Klingons never told everyone about it later on, especially in future war situations where they had no obligation to keep the Federation's secrets. The Klingons have no restraint screaming about how the Romulans did this or that to them come the 24th century.

What happens when you try to cram super weapons into a story fifty years after it is told.

 

[Groppler Zorn]

It is what it is. I bet Berman wished he had just started yammering about Enterprise being "classified", would have probably saved him a lot of grief during its run.

Uh, tape delay... solar winds... temporal Cold War...

They must have classified the Ferengi encounter right?

Or... as I’ve long thought - all of Starfleet’s records were destroyed by an EMP in the Romulan war and that’s why they went back to using tube circuits on their constitution class starships.

The classified bit still wouldn't explain why the Klingons never told everyone about it later on, especially in future war situations where they had no obligation to keep the Federation's secrets. The Klingons have no restraint screaming about how the Romulans did this or that to them come the 24th century.

All the Klingon records were on Khitomer and they were destroyed by the Romulans.

(I totally agree with your point btw!)

 

[BillJ]

Or... as I’ve long thought - all of Starfleet’s records were destroyed by an EMP in the Romulan war and that’s why they went back to using tube circuits on their constitution class starships.

I don't buy the EMP stuff, I've heard it before. These ships and starbases are in space and subject to all manners of radiation.

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme...-sent-us-back-to-a-post-apocalyptic-stone-age

Suffice it to say, but it’s bad news if the energy and plasma from a big solar flare or CME hits the Earth. Much like a man-made electromagnetic pulse (EMP) weapon, the solar energetic particles strike the Earth with such force that it ionizes the atmosphere, creating a vast cloud of energetic electrons that bounce around inside the atmosphere destroying electronics and fusing conductive wires everywhere. It would probably take out a few satellites in Earth orbit, too.

 

[Groppler Zorn]

I don't buy the EMP stuff, I've heard it before. These ships and starbases are in space and subject to all manners of radiation.

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme...-sent-us-back-to-a-post-apocalyptic-stone-age

Well, ok that’s a fair point

How about some kind of EMP-type thing designed by the romulans to fry the primitive pre-duotronic circuits (monotronic?)

Thanks to the romulan spy at the head of the Vulcan High Command the romulans must have had all kinds of intel on Starfleet tech. They could have come up with a Breen-type dampening field or something that destroyed the records.

I know I’m reaching, but it helps with muh head canon

 

[DaveyNY]

I highly doubt that the Klingons are going to ever openly admit that they were blackmailed into submission by one of their own!
Especially by an Outcast Woman who eventually becomes their Leader for a time.
And isn't History usually written by the winners...
L'Rell probably took great pains and went to great lengths to keep her little "World Destroying Bomb" and how it got there, a secret among just the top Klingon Council Members.
And then after her reign ended it was all expunged from Klingon History as well.

 

[CorporalClegg]

It's a throwaway line from an episode that aired a quarter-century ago and is most remembered for it's direct connection to the most hated episode in the entire franchise.

It doesn't require explanation.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Even if Starfleet classified it, don't you think the Klingons would have been publicly screaming every chance they got (Battle of Organia, Khitomer talks, etc) about that time Starfleet dishonorably tried to blow them up? I don't think it's something the Klingons would let the Federation forget...

They probably were. It's not like we've seen every conversation every Klingon in the universe has had since the 2250's

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The answer is obvious....the Discovery incident was classified along with the whole spore drive thing

Absolutely.

Even if Starfleet classified it, don't you think the Klingons would have been publicly screaming every chance they got

"We do not discuss it with outsiders!"