What was that all about? Seriously?
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What was that all about? Seriously?
"Weapon"? He's not going to whip out an uzi like a postman?! Besides, stunt casting only goes so far. Less if audiences don't recognize the actor being used as stunt fodder. Doesn't mean stunt casting doesn't result in a fantastic performance - I've seen many long before finding out person x was a big name in such'n'such... There are stunts best worth avoiding. If I see it when the episodes air, I'll mention it.
Clara was a bit off-putting. Bill was a refreshing change. A couple of her episodes were way too overt and heavyhanded, but WHO has always had politics from day one. Sometimes more tactful, less direct.
A greater sense of adventure as well - the "soap opera" is just people standing there going blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah. The style of exposition has changed over the decades.
Capaldi's final season was a step up and even the Master (Missy) got some proper dialogue in her final story. Wish her episodes prior to weren't loaded with as many sex jokes but Gomez really stole the show when getting to the "I'm evil" stuff. There were times I didn't care for the other Masters... and it was great to see Simm back, doubly so because he finally got a halfway decent script and, wow, he sold it. Far better than the tripe he got during Tennant's tenure. Capaldi's final 135 minutes largely had the feel of proper Doctor Who. Little soap opera, adventure and suspense, horror, science that's updated and relevant for the time (probably accurate but either which was it was entertaining as heck, and keeping in mind I liked "Underworld" part one and its misuse of science, I can only quibble so much - but the more accurate only makes it that much better), little self-aware trash (the Masters' stuff largely worked, the opening 4th wall stuff I wasn't fond of originally but being a swansong I rewatched and found ways to appreciate it more).
The ceiling shattering thing seems bizarre given the number of times WHO has broken the glass ceiling before. The first time was in 1963, when women faced far more discrimination only because they were women back then.) Many times in the 1970s there were more directors and other production unit staff. A few notable ones in the 1980s, especially a writer. Not that Barbara Clegg was the first, and what statistics prove sex bias versus scripts that didn't seem to be workable? But they didn't pull that ceiling shattering hubris. Why now? Also and to compare, when Edison invented the light bulb, did he go around parading because of his sex? There's a fun college thesis right there. But these teasers may or may not be related to the tone of the season and the other ones shown do far more to intrigue than to sell an unintentionally wrong message. Yes, discrimination still exists. No, it should not be blown out of proportion.
New promotional image
They should just do a whole season with never seeing an actual monster or costume. Saves a lot of money for the season
Kidding aside. Good job on hiding the aliens.
We only know about a pregnant man from leaked photos
They should just do a whole season with never seeing an actual monster or costume. Saves a lot of money for the season
Kidding aside. Good job on hiding the aliens.
We only know about a pregnant man from leaked photos
Not having a 'defined' alien is something they employed on Star Trek "Discovery". They must've blown their budget on those dashing Klingons and Ripper. The alien on the planet they sort of explored was a light show - like pixels or something.New promotional image
They should just do a whole season with never seeing an actual monster or costume. Saves a lot of money for the season
Kidding aside. Good job on hiding the aliens.
We only know about a pregnant man from leaked photos
Synopses of the first two episodes:
The Woman Who Fell to Earth
We don’t get aliens in Sheffield. In a South Yorkshire city, Ryan Sinclair, Yasmin Khan and Graham O’Brien are about to have their lives changed forever, as a mysterious woman, unable to remember her own name, falls from the night sky. Can they believe a word she says? And can she help solve the strange events taking place across the city?
The Ghost Monument
Still reeling from their first encounter, can the Doctor and her new friends stay alive long enough, in a hostile alien environment , to solve the mystery of Desolation? And just who are Angstrom and Epzo?
Not much to go on but I'm glad they're vague teases of what's to come.
The Woman Who Fell to Earth
We don’t get aliens in Sheffield. In a South Yorkshire city, Ryan Sinclair, Yasmin Khan and Graham O’Brien are about to have their lives changed forever, as a mysterious woman, unable to remember her own name, falls from the night sky. Can they believe a word she says? And can she help solve the strange events taking place across the city?
The Ghost Monument
Still reeling from their first encounter, can the Doctor and her new friends stay alive long enough, in a hostile alien environment , to solve the mystery of Desolation? And just who are Angstrom and Epzo?
You know one thing I loved about the 11th Doctor? The extent of his regeneration issues was developing a taste for weird food. No amnesia, no acting out, he was basically himself from the start. Now we're just doing Capaldi's regeneration again, but probably less interestingly. Amnesia is not a compelling thing to do with The Doctor. It was pretty annoying with both the 8th and 12th Doctors, and for me at least it will lead to a bad first impression of the 13th (and I've been pretty iffy about this anyway, which sucks because I like the actress and I'm glad she became The Doctor, but everything we've heard about the stories that she'll be in has only made me more and more skeptical about her first series).
I swear, if episode 1 is just 45 minutes of the companions treating The Doctor like a madman and her not remembering her name the whole time, I'll be super annoyed. I'll watch regardless (if literally the worst episodes in the franchise, the zygon 2 parter, didn't make me drop the show in Capaldi's era, nothing this show can do is going to break me), but at this point I wish I could be enthusiastic, and instead I'm just feeling kind of meh and lowering my expectations.
I swear, if episode 1 is just 45 minutes of the companions treating The Doctor like a madman and her not remembering her name the whole time, I'll be super annoyed. I'll watch regardless (if literally the worst episodes in the franchise, the zygon 2 parter, didn't make me drop the show in Capaldi's era, nothing this show can do is going to break me), but at this point I wish I could be enthusiastic, and instead I'm just feeling kind of meh and lowering my expectations.
The 7th also suffered from heavy amnesia. He knew he was the Doctor, but couldn‘t remember his companions face. That‘s why the Rani could take her place.
Amnesia as post-Regeneration effect is hardly new.
Couple that with the trauma from falling from the sky and you can understand how it‘s coming about
Amnesia as post-Regeneration effect is hardly new.
Couple that with the trauma from falling from the sky and you can understand how it‘s coming about
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The leaked clip had the The Doctor mention she used to be an angry Scotsman "half an hour ago" so I don't really think we're getting the amnesia plot.
But I'd be pissed if we did. Cause it sucks.
But I'd be pissed if we did. Cause it sucks.
I'm also not thrilled with the amnesia/incapacitation approach. I'd add 5's Castrovalva to that list. When you have a new Doctor, you want to see the new Doctor in action--not sidelined in some weird state. You want to learn about Who you'll be watching for the next 3 series or so.
Combine that aspect with the previous quote about how the Doctor being a female isn't addressed, and it seems well I'm not sure. In some ways, I'm sure that the Doctor being female is not a big deal to the Doctor. But, it is a big deal to some viewers. By not addressing it much at all because her memory is gone seems like a cop out. It doesn't convey that it's trivial to the Doctor and it doesn't address the needs of some viewers.
In the end, it'll depend on the quality of the story as usual. But, I haven't been thrilled with the regeneration trauma approach in the past. I'm not going to get too worked up about it now though. I'll see what the story is like.
Combine that aspect with the previous quote about how the Doctor being a female isn't addressed, and it seems well I'm not sure. In some ways, I'm sure that the Doctor being female is not a big deal to the Doctor. But, it is a big deal to some viewers. By not addressing it much at all because her memory is gone seems like a cop out. It doesn't convey that it's trivial to the Doctor and it doesn't address the needs of some viewers.
In the end, it'll depend on the quality of the story as usual. But, I haven't been thrilled with the regeneration trauma approach in the past. I'm not going to get too worked up about it now though. I'll see what the story is like.
It was a bit of mixed amnesia, she did not know if she was the Doctor and also did not know what her tongue was called.
been a while since I read it, but iirc in the novel of Time and the Rani, it's mentioned that the Doctor is drugged so his amenisa is chemical induced but as you say to allow the Rani to pretend to be Mel.
Now that you mention it.
However I seem to remember the Rani exploiting the recent Regen for that, so the Doctor wouldn‘t think to much of the scrambled memories.
So at least it‘s been known to cause these issues on it‘s own back then.
So much pearl clutching over a few lines of synopses. Geez.
Seriously. To complain about a post-regneration Doctor suffering from amnesia is like complaining about the TARDIS not going where it was suppose to. It's silly because it's always been there.
Because 2 Doctors had actual amnesia at there regeneration, its "always been there"? By that logic, the 13th Doctor should choke one of her companions, because that behavior has "always been there". Or maybe she should stay in bed until the last five minutes of the episode, or put on a bunch of stupid costumes in a wild daze before flying off to get her face carved in a mountain while messing up a civilization, because that has also "always been there".
Amnesia is an annoying trope, and one that was old and tired probably before I was born, and 27 years later it isn't any fresher. Capaldi already did it, why go there again? The next series has enough going against it, having The Doctor question her identity is a really stupid thing to do. Just have her immediately go about her life like the 11th Doctor did would be the best thing, instead its probably wasting a whole episode on her "finding herself".
From the 3rd on, there have been some post regeneration wonkiness. Besides, this amnesia, in a synopsis written by who knows who, could last 5 minutes, it could last 50, who knows. But yes, let’s freak out. Let’s scream and gnash our teeth.
It’s a fucking simple synopsis. How often are they super accurate?
It’s a fucking simple synopsis. How often are they super accurate?
I don’t think I’ve seen anyone freaking out, but then, I am in the Not Amnesia again bracket too.
It might be a great episode, but just the mention of post regeneration amnesia makes me more excited about episode 2, and that maybe I can skip the first one and not miss too much.
It sounds boring, and the previous ones were boring, more boring than the time the doctor caught up on some sleep.
It might be a great episode, but just the mention of post regeneration amnesia makes me more excited about episode 2, and that maybe I can skip the first one and not miss too much.
It sounds boring, and the previous ones were boring, more boring than the time the doctor caught up on some sleep.
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