Death wish

[I_like_andorians]

In the episode death wish (Q trying to commit suicide), janeway decides to hold a form of court. To decide whether to give Q asylum on voyager. (So to speak).

Q try's to bribe janeway, and snaps his fingers and shows her earth. Countless times Q offers to take voyager home.
There is a quote earlier by Q where he says (Humans are not meant to reach the delta quadrant for another 100 years).
So if humans are not meant to be there, then why didn't he just send them home?
Also, I thought the Q can essentially see every thing? So why is it a suprise humans are in the delta quadrant?
So humans being in the delta quadrant is an anomaly, caused by the caretaker. The caretaker is an anomaly, why didn't the Q remove the caretaker?
I just find that line by Q wierd. Obviously humans were meant to be in the delta quadrant, otherwise they wouldn't be there.

 

[Sophie74656]

He probably meant by their own development humans will not have the technology to reach the DQ. He didn't send them home because they were already in the DQ, if he sent them home that would be interfering.

 

[Qonundrum]

In my headcanon, Q was "showing off" to Janeway and being the typical trickster with how humans shouldn't be there yet. Giving Janeway a sneak peek and a chance to get intelligence for the region? Q says things but he's anything but simple, or straightforward. Never understood why people hated his character.

Though Q did introduce them to the Borg, even though the Borg had already visited the region in scooping up the Neutral Zone bases...

 

[at Quark's]

These are the lines:

Q: What have you done now, Q? Well, now, isn't this just fine. Humans aren't supposed to be in this quadrant for another hundred years.
QUINN: I didn't bring them here. Nothing to do with me.

From that I take it that Q doesn't think humans should be able to reach the DQ on their own for another hundred years, so he suspects interference as the cause of them being there- which is entirely correct of course.

He lets the matter rest after the other Q has assured him it has nothing to do with him. So it's not so much Q feels called to make the "interference" undone that brought them there in the first place, but making sure their 'prisoner' didn't cause it (for example, accidentally, when trying to commit suicide).... at least that's how I read the passage.

 

[I_like_andorians]

These are the lines:


From that I take it that Q doesn't think humans should be able to reach the DQ on their own for another hundred years, so he suspects interference as the cause of them being there- which is entirely correct of course.

He lets the matter rest after the other Q has assured him it has nothing to do with him. So it's not so much Q feels called to make the "interference" undone that brought them there in the first place, but making sure their 'prisoner' didn't cause it.... at least that's how I read the passage.

That's a fair point. Though I thought Q was omnipotent. Should Q know everything?

 

[at Quark's]

Quinn claims the Q are not omnipotent, that it's something the Continuum would like others to believe.

If anything, the Q strike me as relatively new kids on the 'nearly god level' block. "Our" Q very much seems to try to impress Picard and crew with all his tricks, much like someone who only recently got a lot of money often tries to show it off way more than someone born in a family that has been rich for generations.

Same seems to go for the entire Continuum. After their first period of excitement of 'becoming all powerful', and learning all there is to know, they get confronted with the question: and what now? It even spawns into an entire civil war later on.Sounds to me like a species that hasn't come to terms yet with their new level of power, "our" Q's claim of the Q always having existed notwithstanding.

The Q may be one of the most powerful noncorporeal "godlike"species we meet in all of Trek, but I wouldn't be surprised if there would be much older species of similar power around who just shake their heads and wait for the Q to become a little more mature.

But … that's just through my only human-level perception…. the truth may be far beyond my comprehension …

 

[I_like_andorians]

Fair enough.
I still think Q was a d*ck for not just sending them home. Oh you want to go home so much? Have a puppy instead

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

It was one of the first episodes I really liked because despite the gravity of its thema (the issue of euthanasia -> a member of the Q Continuum requesting asylum, which would give him the opportunity to end his life instead of being imprisoned within it for over 300 years to prevent him from committing suicide) was well mixed with humor of some J/Q & Q/Q's exchanges.

This episode strangely reminded me one from another TV series, The Twilight Zone, I have watched years before but which deeply moved me to the point that even today, I still remember the story, the one of a man in his fifties, who dreamed to be left alone to satisfy his envy to live quietly and to live his passion of reading (without noise coming from as well outside as inside, including those from his own family, disturbing tranquility) and who saw his wish fulfilled overnight after a sudden nuclear attack happened which left him alone in his hometown under debris and while he looked forward to finally enjoying the situation, he dropped his glasses to the ground and all his dreams - as his eyeglasses (the guy was short-sighted and that's why he wore heavy spectacles) - were breaking into a thousand pieces.
-> his fine dreamy existence turned into a nightmare because in an instant, he was alone in the middle of ruins, with no one anymore to keep him company - not even animal -, no hobby anymore (his glasses broken, the reading was no longer possible. usually, we say that "reading is the soul food" but in his case, his soul was becoming well hungry!), no food less rummaging through the ruins... . And as he still had 20 to 30 years to live, existence would appear to him very long and not in the best way. At the end, the scene was supposed to take place after after 1 or 2 days of loneliness and boredom, he had to wonder if it would not have been better for him to die with others and finally turned to the sky, begging a divine intervention to end his current nightmare.

In The Twilight Zone's episode, the message sent to viewers was: really think about what we wanted before making a vow. In Voyager's Death Wish, Quinn perfectly knew what he wanted and presented with conviction his request to the point Janeway was unable to refuse it.

 

[Terok Nor]

Hunans had already reached the Delta Quadrant in TNG "The Price". There was even a sequel episode to it on Voyager

I'm not sure if it was the Delta Quadrant Q sent the Enterprise to in "Q Who" but he did introduce humanity to the Borg.

 

[Qonundrum]

Fair enough.
I still think Q was a d*ck for not just sending them home. Oh you want to go home so much? Have a puppy instead

This is where, for continuity sake, it may have been better to have avoided Q (unfortunately): Q is the ultimate "get out of jail free card". Like the overuse of the Borg, dramatic tension is whittled down when Q snaps his fingers. Not that the audience kept clinging to the (abandoned) sense of "We won't get home for 70 years, this is a dreary place" or anything, which they didn't as the show feels more like a sequel to TNG as opposed to developing and cultivating its own feel, but seven years of "Year of Hell" just wouldn't be sustainable either.

Worse, if Q didn't return them home as a reward for their ending the "Q civil war" and saving the Whole of The Continuum (WTF) then would he for anything?

 

[Sophie74656]

Hunans had already reached the Delta Quadrant in TNG "The Price". There was even a sequel episode to it on Voyager

I'm not sure if it was the Delta Quadrant Q sent the Enterprise to in "Q Who" but he did introduce humanity to the Borg.

Had anyone gone through the wormhome at that point? Other than the two ferengi?

 

[Terok Nor]

Had anyone gone through the wormhome at that point? Other than the two ferengi?

Data and Geordi. They told the Ferengi the wormhole was about to shift location but they didn't listen.

 

[Sophie74656]

Data and Geordi. They told the Ferengi the wormhole was about to shift location but they didn't listen.

Oh ok, it's been a while since I've seen it

 

[XCV330]

In the episode death wish (Q trying to commit suicide), janeway decides to hold a form of court. To decide whether to give Q asylum on voyager. (So to speak).

Q try's to bribe janeway, and snaps his fingers and shows her earth. Countless times Q offers to take voyager home.
There is a quote earlier by Q where he says (Humans are not meant to reach the delta quadrant for another 100 years).
So if humans are not meant to be there, then why didn't he just send them home?
Also, I thought the Q can essentially see every thing? So why is it a suprise humans are in the delta quadrant?
So humans being in the delta quadrant is an anomaly, caused by the caretaker. The caretaker is an anomaly, why didn't the Q remove the caretaker?
I just find that line by Q wierd. Obviously humans were meant to be in the delta quadrant, otherwise they wouldn't be there.

Humans were already IN the Delta quadrant. Q speaks shale!

 

[STEPhon IT]

Not a fan of Janeway. She lost me when Q offered to send Voyager home if she would sleep with him, something she found personally repulsive, but that would have been for the good of her crew. She declined. I think that's one to which even Kirk would have given serious consideration, if his crew was at stake. From that point she became a captain IMO who placed her own self-interests before the needs of her crew. Something I could not imagine Kirk doing.

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

Prostitute herself for the sake of her crew ... Are you serious when you write that?! Wow, you really have to hate the character to say such a stupid thing!
-> what about a minimum of self-esteem, not to mention the respect of her crew!

(BTW, do you really think that Chakotay would have looked Janeway with a deep respect if she had slept with a member of the Continum such Q, a Machiavellian and manipulative omnipotent, who spends his time to behave cad, while she refuses him, he the good guy with a great honor?!).

That being said, the few fanfictions with Janeway and Q as lovers were pretty cute because Q the most part of the time, seems to really respect Janeway for what she is: a smart and courageous woman.

 

[STEPhon IT]

There's a reason why I put some words in bold letters. Re-read my post as many times as like for you to understand, Ghislaine.

 

[Sophie74656]

Prostitute herself for the sake of her crew ... Are you serious when you write that?! Wow, you really have to hate the character to say such a stupid thing!
-> what about a minimum of self-esteem, not to mention the respect of her crew!

(BTW, do you really think that Chakotay would have looked Janeway with a deep respect if she had slept with a member of the Continum such Q, a Machiavellian and manipulative omnipotent, who spends his time to behave cad, while she refuses him, he the good guy with a great honor?!).

That being said, the few fanfictions with Janeway and Q as lovers were pretty cute because Q the most part of the time, seems to really respect Janeway for what she is: a smart and courageous woman.

Completely agree. I wish we had dislike buttons sometimes.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Have we forgotten? Les besoins de beaucoup l'emportent sur les besoins de quelques-uns ou de l'un. The needs of many outweigh the needs of the few or one. Star Trek has an entire history of flings, but a Captain should be thinking of the safety and wellness of his or her crew. I doubt you would find offense if the offer was proposed by a woman towards a man. Getting them home with less casualties was Janeway's goal.

 

[cosmic mouse]

Not a fan of Janeway. She lost me when Q offered to send Voyager home if she would sleep with him, something she found personally repulsive, but that would have been for the good of her crew. She declined. I think that's one to which even Kirk would have given serious consideration, if his crew was at stake. From that point she became a captain IMO who placed her own self-interests before the needs of her crew. Something I could not imagine Kirk doing.

This is rich right here. Prostitution is a serious matter... and with an omnipotent being who is less than trustworthy (and for a crew whose lives were not in imminent danger, mind you) no less. Janeway probably thought through this in a blink of an eye, knowing that Q might very well not be good on his word and also knowing that there were other (much better, more reliable, and less skeevy) options to get her crew home.
Kirk is rather a slut though, so yeah I could see him going this route (though maybe not with Q himself).