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Starship design history in light of Discovery

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Rahul said:
Because it was a pain in the arse for the real-life studio model builders...
Getting the electronics to work through the small space, and over time the struts bent under the weight.

(But yeah, that was originally Matt Jeffries intent, you can read up on this! That guy had a lot of thoughts on designing that ship - like, he made the ship purposefull top-heavy, so that it doesn't look like a model that has to work in gravity, but something that operates in real weightlessness. But yeah, a lot of the TNG era design stuff ignores many of his ideas for practical reasons - even though they were clearly well thought-out reasons for them)
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TOS ignored it as early as Tomorrow Is Yesterday.
 
The Motion Picture says the Enterprise refit's impulse engines can go at least warp 0.5. So this doesn't seem to be a new idea.

KIRK: Thrusters ahead, Mister Sulu. ...Take us out.
[now in "Enterprise engineering"]
SCOTT: Intermix set. Bridge, impulse power at your discretion.
[now in "Enterprise bridge"]
KIRK: Impulse power, Mister Sulu. Ahead, warp point five. ...Departure angle on viewer.

Memory-Alpha also says impulse engines generate a subspace field, though there is no source for that one. I know it's mentioned in the tech manuals.
 
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Tuskin38 said:
The Motion Picture says the Enterprise refit's impulse engines can go at least warp 0.5. So this doesn't seem to be a new idea.

KIRK: Thrusters ahead, Mister Sulu. ...Take us out.
[now in "Enterprise engineering"]
SCOTT: Intermix set. Bridge, impulse power at your discretion.
[now in "Enterprise bridge"]
KIRK: Impulse power, Mister Sulu. Ahead, warp point five. ...Departure angle on viewer.

Memory-Alpha also says impulse engines generate a subspace field, though there is no source for that one. I know it's mentioned in the tech manuals.
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I have no real feeling about Impulse power, as that's not the area of Trek that holds my attention aside from working as a background detail. But I know that there have been some wonderful arguments about Simple Impulse and ships going at warp speed (or not) and I foresee this adding some fuel to some angle(s) in those forums.
 
I found a video that gives some glances at the USS Europa Booklet, the video is in German but the book is in English.

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So the Europa was originally called USS Nimitz, with the Class name being Worthington.
One piece of concept art it only has 2 nacelles on top, none on the bottom, but that was rejected because they wanted the ship to be 'beefier'. The saucer was also closer to the design of the Cardenas class.

The Rollbar was connected to the rest of the saucer to make it less like the Reliant (the wording makes it sound like that was Eaves' decision, not the higher ups)

The nacelles are close to the surface to give it a more aggressive look, that was from the higher ups.
 
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The Europa conveyed a huge "flagship" quality when it appeared. The sequence there they're rammed, the Admiral's hologram glitches out and they launch escape pods and self destruct was really cool.
 
I don't care for how out of place the Discovery designs seem. I consider it a reboot so I don't include any of the designs. I do like the shape of the Shenzhou, but the bridge should be on top of the saucer.
 
yotsuya said:
I don't care for how out of place the Discovery designs seem. I consider it a reboot so I don't include any of the designs. I do like the shape of the Shenzhou, but the bridge should be on top of the saucer.
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It makes it unique though.

I’d find it weird if it was on top now.
 
Tuskin38 said:
One piece of concept art it only has 2 nacelles on top, none on the bottom, but that was rejected because they wanted the ship to be 'beefier'...The Rollbar was connected to the rest of the saucer to make it less like the Reliant (the wording makes it sound like that was Eaves' decision, not the higher ups)
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What's interesting is that the original two-nacelled design looks almost exactly like the original design for his holoship from ST: Insurrection:

https://johneaves.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/halo4.jpg
 
King Daniel Beyond said:
The Europa conveyed a huge "flagship" quality when it appeared. The sequence there they're rammed, the Admiral's hologram glitches out and they launch escape pods and self destruct was really cool.
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I also loved the Europa having an NX01 style deflector dish on the bow. Great small detail that tickles my head cannon :nyah:
 
Still looks like a stylized Romulan Warbird, mounted on top of a Reliant-type primary hull, with two nacelles attached to each ... to me.
:shrug:

Be interesting if this was an early attempt at a multi-hull "Prometheus" type of starship.
:techman:
 
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