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Will Paramount Have an Interest in James Gunn for ST?

johnjm22

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Disney announced today that Gunn for sure isn't coming back (there was a campaign to have him rehired).

We know Paramount has wanted Star Trek to be like Guardians of the Galaxy. I wonder if the studio heads are thinking about Gunn now? He would be expensive, but attaching his name to a ST project would generate some much needed buzz for this franchise.

I know there's been some changeover at Paramount since STB was green lit, and I know SJ Clarkson is already on board, but I bet every studio in town is interested in Gunn and Paramount is no exception.
 
He would be expensive, but attaching his name to a ST project would generate some much needed buzz for this franchise.

He would also bring the pedophilia shitshow with him. I have nothing against the man, and I hope he finds more work. But I don't think Paramount's Star Trek needs that kind of negative stain right now.
 
It's funny because when Gunn got fired, some people over twitter were sarcastically joking that maybe he could try to get a job at Paramount instead since they still pursue Tarantino in spite of his problematic comments and actions. Where is the lie?
Even if it emphasizes Hollywood's, especially its elite, hypocrisy.
 
Yeah I would imagine this is a non-starter. They've hired Clarkson for a reason - to save money. And that's before even get to any controversy that he would bring.
 
He would also bring the pedophilia shitshow with him. I have nothing against the man, and I hope he finds more work. But I don't think Paramount's Star Trek needs that kind of negative stain right now.
Which was all a joke that’s pretty much in line with his work at Troma, a group known for delving into bad taste in a tongue in cheek matter. I dunno why any studio would think it’s a bad mark, when the only complaints I’ve heard about it so far came from the alt-right groups like Briebart, who only did it to smear him because of his heavy criticisms on Trump.
 
It isn't about what the studio thinks of the man, it is how they think it might impact the box office of that movie, and the line it is part of.

I highly doubt GUARDIANS 3 would have lost money over it, but Disney is savvy enough to know they don’t necessarily need him either. It would make bank no matter who’s at the helm, as I doubt the average movie goer were ever aware of who directs these Marvel films. Marvel doesn’t hype up its directors in the way that Paramount hyped up Abrams or WB hyped up Nolan for THE DARK KNIGHT.

Even if Paramount did get Gunn, Disney would never allow them to use “from the director of GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY”. I think the only exception that was made was for when Shane Black movies that were promoted with “from the director of IRON MAN 3”, no doubt influenced by his buddy RDJ.
 
Yeah I would imagine this is a non-starter. They've hired Clarkson for a reason - to save money. And that's before even get to any controversy that he would bring.
I'm not even necessarily talking about ST4 though. I wonder if they'll look at him for future ST projects (if there are any). They have literally wanted ST to be more like GOTG.

Even if Paramount did get Gunn, Disney would never allow them to use “from the director of GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY”.
What would be the legal issue with that? Paramount mentioned The Fast and the Furious and Star Wars in Beyond ads. I don't know if they had to get permission.

But even if they weren't legally able to mention GOTG, I still think having Gunn would generate extra buzz for a ST film.
 
I'm not even necessarily talking about ST4 though. I wonder if they'll look at him for future ST projects (if there are any). They have literally wanted ST to be more like GOTG.


What would be the legal issue with that? Paramount mentioned The Fast and the Furious and Star Wars in Beyond ads. I don't know if they had to get permission.

But even if they weren't legally able to mention GOTG, I still think having Gunn would generate extra buzz for a ST film.

My understanding is studios need permission to use such promotions. Many studios are very lenient of it anyway, but I've rarely seen Disney give that. Which ads for BEYOND mentioned STAR WARS? I've seen plenty of use of Justin Lin's credentials, but never any mention of STAR WARS.
 
My understanding is studios need permission to use such promotions. Many studios are very lenient of it anyway, but I've rarely seen Disney give that. Which ads for BEYOND mentioned STAR WARS? I've seen plenty of use of Justin Lin's credentials, but never any mention of STAR WARS.
The only reason I can think is Disney might not want another studio advertising the fact that James Gunn (who they've fired) was ever involved with their franchise. That issue aside, we see "From the director of..." stuff all the time. Who are Disney to be the studio to block that?

I general, it's an interesting idea I hadn't even thought about. I actually think the current negative buzz around Gunn could only help ST right now. But assuming Gunn is still in a position to name his price (he might not be?), it could require a level of down-payment that goes against the direction Paramount is currently leaning.

Right now Paramount is in a post-Insurrection mode. The ST films need to be "reimagined, and made cheaper" (some high bigwig at Paramount actually spoke those exact words during the long hiatus between Insurrection and Nemesis). With that mode of thinking, this next film will literally be their last one if it ever gets made.

More than one movie would require a jumpstart, and a level of audacity to believe ST still "could" climb above the $500mil profit margin, given enough inspired direction and enough momentum. It's not impossible. Paramount could do it. But they're not acting like they could do it and they're not likely to see it done. (Just like somewhere, there's the guy who knows how to get back that girl after already having convinced her he's a total creep. It's just usually not you)
 
What is this negative buzz that keeps being brought up? The only ones making a big deal out of it were alt-right groups.
Not even them, they're just gloating that they smeared somebody and ruined his career. Complete hypocrites. And in fact the Twitter posts on the subject by both Jack Posobiec and Mike Cernovich are absolutely despicable.

It will still make noise whenever someone does decide to hire him, even if a lot of the noise is petty. And petty noise is better than being invisible when your a fourth-installment movie in the low-momentum ST film franchise, since were speaking hypothetically and improbably.

Besides, I hate for those two oily-complexioned smug-faced bastards to think they've won.
 
That approach was for Beyond, and as that's failed, we don't really know if that's still what Paramount wants for the franchise moving forward.
These studio heads aren't always geniuses. They see a successful movie that takes in place in space and think 'Hey our movie takes place in space, let's make it like that!'

For the record, I don't want Gunn to make an ST film, and I don't want ST to be like GoTG. I just think there's a good chance Paramount will be interested in him. Reports are that there's lots of interest in him among the studios.
 
My understanding is studios need permission to use such promotions. Many studios are very lenient of it anyway, but I've rarely seen Disney give that. Which ads for BEYOND mentioned STAR WARS? I've seen plenty of use of Justin Lin's credentials, but never any mention of STAR WARS.
I could've swore in one of the ads it said something about JJ Abrams and Star Wars, but looking at the ad now I don't see it. Maybe it was just in my head.
 
Marvel seems to have figured it out. It’s sad to watch everyone else try to replicate it but miss the point so badly. I’m sure if Paramount believed it would help earn money they’d slap the Disney logo on Trek.
 
That approach was for Beyond, and as that's failed, we don't really know if that's still what Paramount wants for the franchise moving forward.

I remember the rumors about them trying to replicate gotg but yeah, they failed. I think the strongest aspect of gotg as well as Infinity War is how much ensembles these movies are. You can have a ton of characters with different stories, relationships and roles and they all get their time to shine and get developed regardless them being the protagonist. Things aren't mutually exclusive. It is more natural for the writers to do that.
You never get the sense, for example, that the writers can't give important scenes to one character or dynamic because it would take away from others.
Beyond's team, and to an extent how trek is perceived in general, frankly has this limit and insecurity instead. You can't do more with new dynamics because they 'take away' from Kirk and original trio headcanons.
We are hopelessly stuck in the past no matter what. (you see, even discovery is now being tainted by nostalgia..)

Beyond promised all this revolutionary family/group dynamic with all the characters getting different interactions outside of the same we already know..but in the end, out of all the 'duos' the movie formed during the crisis it's only the 'old' tos dynamic that gets more screentime. Sulu/Uhura as well as Kirk/Chekov and the group dynamic were almost non-existent and treated like after thoughts. Scotty/Jaylah also was mostly Pegg giving himself more screentime through the new character.
Spock had to be with Mccoy, even when they join the rest, to placate those who wanted to see more of the latter and 'old-school' dynamics, and as a consequence he - who JJ had elevated as co-protagonist with Kirk in the first movies - got downgraded to almost secondary character who gets the illusion of a big personal subplot, but it isn't even really developed in the end.. and in a way, it couldn't for the role these writers wanted him to have (or rather, how they wanted to use him and to an extent Kirk too whose personal conflict also is hinted but not really developed)

It's weird because it isn't like beyond focused so much on Kirk so the idea of ensemble is definitely there, but it isn't really developed. The first movies are, at least, more honest in their limits. And in general, I feel JJ is a better storyteller than Lin in some aspects, especially the characters. JJ would take the script and add character moments when he felt the narrative left some things too vague. Lin seems to do the opposite and take things out instead (Sulu's scene about his family for one, but not only.. if they ever put the script online you will see how much Lin cut from the characters.)
To be fair, there are aspects of Beyond and the character moments that are good. Perhaps, JJ would've used that potential better. Definitely, if you could combine some aspects of Beyond and the first two movies, you'd probably get the perfect movie.


Anyway, back to main point: Beyond maybe tried to 'copy' marvel movies, but they missed the point.
 
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