Ethan Peck cast as DSC's Spock

[jaime]

You mean like Berman and Braga:

- Who turned Scotty into a dotting old fool to the point Geordi wanted nothing to do with him? (TNG: "Relics")

- Who had Picard, Sisko and Janeway often state that had Kirk and Spock been in 24th Century Star Fleet, they'd have been court martialed?

- Who originally wrote in ST:Gen a scene where Kirk was shot in the back? (Said scene was re-written and re filmed due to poor test audience response) And hell, who had Kirk's actual final moments NOT be commanding a Starship, but riding a horse, and then fighting on a Planet and he couldn't even beat and old mad scientist in HTH combat?
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yet, the team in charge of TNG era Trek for 18 years (1987 - 2005) did a real 'great job' with the classic characters who gave them the opportunity to do their version of Star Trek.

I doubt Picard could be treated any worse then Berman and Braga did for Scotty or Kirk.

If they hadn’t had to bring in Kirk to satisfy the idea that the next gen crew needed that TOS support (again..first Trek movie without the TOS crew front and centre..) and that big ‘kirk Dies’ publicity kick for the suits and possibly to interest Shatner, then the film would have been very different. But that was the safety net. TOS fans will turn out for that even if they don’t like TNG.

Your comments on Scotty as characterised are incorrect. The worst you can say is that all the characters were bent to suit the ‘man out of time’ story they wanted to tell. Even Geordi is less calm than usual...and let’s be fair, Scoot would have behaved the same as Geordi if Zefram Cochrane was poking his fingers in his engines while there was a crisis on. *shrug*

 

[Noname Given]

If they hadn’t had to bring in Kirk to satisfy the idea that the next gen crew needed that TOS support (again..first Trek movie without the TOS crew front and centre..) and that big ‘kirk Dies’ publicity kick for the suits and possibly to interest Shatner, then the film would have been very different. But that was the safety net. TOS fans will turn out for that even if they don’t like TNG.

Your comments on Scotty as characterised are incorrect. The worst you can say is that all the characters were bent to suit the ‘man out of time’ story they wanted to tell. Even Geordi is less calm than usual...and let’s be fair, Scoot would have behaved the same as Geordi if Zefram Cochrane was poking his fingers in his engines while there was a crisis on. *shrug*

Sorry, but Mr. Scott would have JUMPED into the 24th century tech manuals and caught up. On TOS he spent his leasure time reading every tech journal he could get his hands on. Hell, in TOS - "The Trouble With Tribbles" - Kirk confined him to quarters (as punishment for the Fed/Klingon brawl_ yet Scotty thanked him and was happy because it would give him a chance to catch up on said technical journals. Sorry, but Scotty would never be phased or depressed by Tech advancement, he'd read up and get back into it. <--- They totally never 'got' his character.

As for Kirk's Court Martials:

One he was conmpletely cleared of - it was a complete set up by Commander Ben Finney (who was captured and court martialed himself.)

The second was an actual court martial offense, yes; but in the end it was no worse than what Spock himself got off scot-free for in TOS "The Menagerie" - hell, unlike Spock, Kirk at least asked for permission first.

And teh fact that the TOS characters were added as a 'safety net' as you put it doesn't CHANGE the fact that the TNG writers pretty much didn't 'get' these iconic and classic characters at all.

 

[BillJ]

Sorry, but Scotty would never be phased or depressed by Tech advancement, he'd read up and get back into it.

This one is thirty years older, and a hundred years behind. It would be insane to think he wouldn't go through some emotions. Like losing everyone he knew, going from being the foremost authority on starships to a lost pup.

Sure, he would eventually sort things out. But expecting him to wake up from a 75 year transporter nap and being the same exact person right away is stretching things. Which is one of the weaknesses of the episodic format. We don't have time to decompress and see him go through the steps.

 

[Noname Given]

This one is thirty years older, and a hundred years behind. It would be insane to think he wouldn't go through some emotions. Like losing everyone he knew, going from being the foremost authority on starships to a lost pup.

Sure, he would eventually sort things out. But expecting him to wake up from a 75 year transporter nap and being the same exact person right away is stretching things. Which is one of the weaknesses of the episodic format. We don't have time to decompress and see him go through the steps.

I would agree with your assessment if - at the end, they had dropped Scotty off at the colony he was originally going to; or some other nearby Federation planet where he wanted to spend his retirement years. but no, they gave him a Shuttle (hopefully with warp capability ) - so he could go Galaxy hopping once more.

 

[jaime]

I would agree with your assessment if - at the end, they had dropped Scotty off at the colony he was originally going to; or some other nearby Federation planet where he wanted to spend his retirement years. but no, they gave him a Shuttle (hopefully with warp capability ) - so he could go Galaxy hopping once more.

The whole episode takes place in about what..half a day?
Scotty can catch up on his reading in the shuttle. It does warp five.

 

[BillJ]

I would agree with your assessment if - at the end, they had dropped Scotty off at the colony he was originally going to; or some other nearby Federation planet where he wanted to spend his retirement years. but no, they gave him a Shuttle (hopefully with warp capability ) - so he could go Galaxy hopping once more.

That's the point. They had to compress the entirety of his story into 48 minutes. So it feels like it is all over the place. He goes through the five stages of grief, saves the day and then rides off into the sunset.

 

[BillJ]

Honestly, Deep Space Nine would've been the better show to revive the character.

 

[jaime]

Honestly, Deep Space Nine would've been the better show to revive the character.

Voyager was just serialised enough it could have worked there too. I can see him filling a grandparent role for Tom and Bells, striking up a friendship with Neelix, before perhaps joining Neelix on his colony goodbye after say half a season of a supporting role.

 

[BillJ]

Voyager was just serialised enough it could have worked there too. I can see him filling a grandparent role for Tom and Bells, striking up a friendship with Neelix, before perhaps joining Neelix on his colony goodbye after say half a season of a supporting role.

I'd see him as a Cyrano Jones/Harry Mudd type of character. Using a beat up D-7 with a cloaking device and motley crew to ferry needed supplies into Cardassian/Klingon territory during the Dominion War.

 

[Mr. Nova]

Script reuse was pretty common back then. See how many Bonanza episodes you can find hidden and redone with Little House characters, sometime. Gunsmoke was on so freaking long it just reused its own scripts on occasion. Sometimes an idea is reused, like TMP from the original TOS episode it was taken from (and the Phase II script it sprang out of) but sometimes it's a lot more obvious like Naked Now. Soaps have been doing it since the radio era.

I think people had lower expectations on quality in general at the time, so it was often ok. But by the time TNG came out, VCR's were common. People were taping things, re-watching, looking for errors and would have counted threads on uniform fabric if their screens had had the resolution. Why is Zoe Saldana's skin pore count different from Nichols? What does this tell us about the difference between Abramsverse and Prime?! Let us discuss for thousands of pages and be assets to this burgeoning world civilization. I digress. I think people were ready for new Trek, as TNG promised and Naked Now was just a big annoying turd on the screen.

Why can't we just accept that ALL of this is Star Trek and enjoy each iteration on it's own merits? Yes, we are all Star Trek fans, as well as film annyalists and critics. When I choose to watch Star Trek I enjoy the episode/movie on it's on. I do note discrepancies, errors, and outright remakes as I watch, but I enjoy my experience nonetheless. I don't take pleasure in ripping ANY of it apart just to show how observant or analytical I can be. *sigh* I just love Star Trek and have since 1966. And I DO love fellow fans regardless of their "foibles".

 

[jaime]

Why can't we just accept that ALL of this is Star Trek and enjoy each iteration on it's own merits? Yes, we are all Star Trek fans, as well as film annyalists and critics. When I choose to watch Star Trek I enjoy the episode/movie on it's on. I do note discrepancies, errors, and outright remakes as I watch, but I enjoy my experience nonetheless. I don't take pleasure in ripping ANY of it apart just to show how observant or analytical I can be. *sigh* I just love Star Trek and have since 1966. And I DO love fellow fans regardless of their "foibles".

I think it’s more factions forming. In order to push X some fans need to smash Y, to make better than/ equal to Y, in order to prove X is either best and/or superior. *shrug*

 

[Jadeb]

Or it could be that some people just don’t like everything Star Trek. At this point, I don’t care about the majority of stuff labeled “Star Trek.” But the stuff I like I really like, even love, and I want it all to be that good.

Discovery is especially frustrating because it has the time, freedom, money and cast to be great but hasn’t, IMO, even reached consistently good.

 

[fireproof78]

Why can't we just accept that ALL of this is Star Trek and enjoy each iteration on it's own merits? Yes, we are all Star Trek fans, as well as film annyalists and critics. When I choose to watch Star Trek I enjoy the episode/movie on it's on. I do note discrepancies, errors, and outright remakes as I watch, but I enjoy my experience nonetheless. I don't take pleasure in ripping ANY of it apart just to show how observant or analytical I can be. *sigh* I just love Star Trek and have since 1966. And I DO love fellow fans regardless of their "foibles".

I would prefer this attitude to most any else encountered. Well put.

 

[JLester]

 

[seigezunt]

I've been off the grid, and hadn't heard about this! He looks pretty good. How does he sound?

 

[jaime]

I've been off the grid, and hadn't heard about this! He looks pretty good. How does he sound?

Better than Quinto. Not quite Nimoy. Just below Tim Russ on the Vulcanmeter maybe, unless like me you think Tim was the best Vulcan, in which case, still not quite Nimoy.
Get Tim Russ in to coach him however, and they could be on to a winner.

 

[Tuskin38]

Get Tim Russ in to coach him however, and they could be on to a winner.

this spock is more emotional though. He doesn't need to be like Tuvok.

 

[jaime]

this spock is more emotional though. He doesn't need to be like Tuvok.

Tuvok was emotional. He managed to beat Nimoy for Vulcan repressed emotional delivery, and eyebrow acting.

 

[seigezunt]

I want to hear how this guy says, "THE WOMEN!!!"

 

[jaime]

I want to hear how this guy says, "THE WOMEN!!!"

Possibly in a very confused way.
Spock has a certain reputation.