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The Classic/Retro Pop Culture Thread

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50 Years Ago This Week
August 11 – The last steam passenger train service runs in Britain. A selection of British Railways steam locomotives make the 120-mile journey from Liverpool to Carlisle and return to Liverpool – the journey is known as the Fifteen Guinea Special.


Selections from Billboard's Hot 100 for the week:
1. "People Got to Be Free," The Rascals
2. "Hello, I Love You," The Doors
3. "Classical Gas," Mason Williams
4. "Born to Be Wild," Steppenwolf
5. "Light My Fire," Jose Feliciano
6. "Stoned Soul Picnic," The 5th Dimension
7. "Turn Around, Look at Me," The Vogues
8. "Sunshine of Your Love," Cream
9. "Grazing in the Grass," Hugh Masekela
10. "Hurdy Gurdy Man," Donovan
11. "Lady Willpower," Gary Puckett & The Union Gap
12. "Dream a Little Dream of Me," Mama Cass w/ The Mamas & The Papas
13. "Stay in My Corner," The Dells
14. "You Keep Me Hangin' On," The Vanilla Fudge
15. "Jumpin' Jack Flash," The Rolling Stones
16. "I Can't Stop Dancing," Archie Bell & The Drells
17. "Journey to the Center of the Mind," The Amboy Dukes
18. "Soul-Limbo," Booker T. & The MG's
19. "Sealed with a Kiss," Gary Lewis & The Playboys
20. "Pictures of Matchstick Men," The Status Quo
21. "The Horse," Cliff Nobles & Co.
22. "Sky Pilot," Eric Burdon & The Animals
23. "You're All I Need to Get By," Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell
24. "Love Makes a Woman," Barbara Acklin

26. "Autumn of My Life," Bobby Goldsboro
27. "(Love Is Like a) Baseball Game," The Intruders
28. "Alice Long (You're Still My Favorite Girlfriend)," Tommy Boyce & Bobby Hart
29. "Slip Away," Clarence Carter
30. "Indian Lake," The Cowsills
31. "Please Return Your Love to Me," The Temptations
32. "1, 2, 3, Red Light," 1910 Fruitgum Co.
33. "Do It Again," The Beach Boys

36. "Don't Take It So Hard," Paul Revere & The Raiders

38. "The Eyes of a New York Woman," B.J. Thomas

40. "Angel of the Morning," Merrilee Rush & The Turnabouts
41. "This Guy's in Love with You," Herb Alpert
42. "Reach Out of the Darkness," Friend & Lover

44. "Tuesday Afternoon (Forever Afternoon)," The Moody Blues

48. "The Fool on the Hill," Sergio Mendes & Brasil '66

59. "The House That Jack Built," Aretha Franklin

64. "Magic Bus," The Who

82. "I Say a Little Prayer," Aretha Franklin
83. "Hush," Deep Purple

87. "Special Occasion," Smokey Robinson & The Miracles

89. "Girl Watcher," The O'Kaysions

90. "On the Road Again," Canned Heat

92. "Time Has Come Today," The Chambers Brothers
93. "The Snake," Al Wilson

98. "Little Green Apples," O.C. Smith
99. "I've Gotta Get a Message to You," Bee Gees


Leaving the chart:
  • "Face It Girl, It's Over," Nancy Wilson
  • "Folsom Prison Blues," Johnny Cash
  • "Here Comes the Judge," Shorty Long
  • "The Look of Love," Sergio Mendes & Brasil '66

New on the chart:

"The Snake," Al Wilson
(#27 US; #32 R&B; #41 UK)

"Special Occasion," Smokey Robinson & The Miracles
(#26 US; #4 R&B)

"I've Gotta Get a Message to You," Bee Gees
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(#8 US; #1 UK)

"The House That Jack Built," Aretha Franklin
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(#6 US; #2 R&B)

"I Say a Little Prayer," Aretha Franklin
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(B-side of "The House That Jack Built"; #10 US; #3 R&B; #4 UK)

"Girl Watcher," The O'Kaysions
(#5 US; #6 R&B)

"Hush," Deep Purple
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(#4 US; #58 UK)

"Little Green Apples," O.C. Smith
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(#2 US; #4 AC; #2 R&B; 1969 Grammy Award for Song of the Year)

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This week's scheduled catch-up viewing:
  • The Monkees, "I Was a Teenage Monster" (Jan. 16, 1967)
  • The Monkees, "Find the Monkees" (Jan. 23, 1967)
  • The Monkees, "Monkees in the Ring" (Jan. 30, 1967)
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I like this one, and it's another with that leftover 50s sound.
Ditto for this one on the 50s sound.
I have the distinct impression that you're just yanking my chain at this point....

Did they ever specify when the IMF was started?
In the show? I seriously doubt it. I could see it paralleling the CIA as being an operation that started in WWII but got rebranded/repurposed for the Cold War.
 
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Great song. Oddly, I would have placed this one around 1972, if asked.

"Special Occasion," Smokey Robinson & The Miracles
I don't remember this at all. Sounds nice, but not otherwise memorable.

"I've Gotta Get a Message to You," Bee Gees
Classic 60s Bee Gees. :mallory:

"The House That Jack Built," Aretha Franklin
Great song. Kind of a tearjerker.

"I Say a Little Prayer," Aretha Franklin
Fine cover, but really nothing to recommend it over the Dionne Warwick version.

Classic 60s Summery song.

"Hush," Deep Purple
Another good song, but another one that I would have placed in the early 70s.

"Little Green Apples," O.C. Smith
How can you not love it? :rommie:

Good week for music.

I have the distinct impression that you're just yanking my chain at this point....
No, I'm really not. Why do you think that?

In the show? I seriously doubt it. I could see it paralleling the CIA as being an operation that started in WWII but got rebranded/repurposed for the Cold War.
That sounds reasonable. That would have made a cool flashback episode. The timeline would have worked out for Peter Graves to play Phelps' father.
 
Oddly, I would have placed this one around 1972, if asked.
Another good song, but another one that I would have placed in the early 70s.
So now we've narrowed down the '60s proper to about 3 or 4 years.... :p

Al Wilson will enjoy the peak of his success with his #1 hit "Show and Tell" in 1973. Doesn't look like we'll be hearing from him in the meantime. And while "Hush" was Deep Purple's first and biggest hit single, they'd become better known for their early '70s work, including 1973's equally charting "Smoke on the Water" (#426 on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Songs of All Time).

I don't remember this at all. Sounds nice, but not otherwise memorable.
It may grow on me with listening, but it's pretty bleh by Smokey's standards. For contrast, "More Love" is currently on my 51 Years Ago playlist--now that's one goddamn fine song!

Classic 60s Bee Gees. :mallory:
The Bee Gees are a pretty clear case of...brought under?...'70s business. :p

Great song. Kind of a tearjerker.
I'll have to give a closer listen to see if I can catch what you're getting. Just sounds pretty funky too me...and makes me think of Diana Rigg.

Fine cover, but really nothing to recommend it over the Dionne Warwick version.
This version has started to grow on me somewhat, but I feel like the Sweet Inspirations should have gotten co-billing for tackling the more challenging main lyrics while Aretha vamps in the foreground. From what I read, the decision to record it came about when Aretha and the Inspirations were improvising while warming up in the studio.

Classic 60s Summery song.
A decent bit of classic period pop, but not particularly strong by the considerable musical standards of the day. It's not a surprise that the O'Kaysions were one-hit wonders.

How can you not love it? :rommie:
A nice song, but alas, it doesn't look like O.C. managed to follow up with anything approaching its success.

The timeline would have worked out for Peter Graves to play Phelps' father.
I can imagine the father/son "someday all this will be yours" bonding moments....
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So now we've narrowed down the '60s proper to about 3 or 4 years.... :p
Between overlapping fashions and quirks of personal memory, that's probably true. :rommie: Those two songs, especially "The Snake," somehow sound like junior high school to me.

And while "Hush" was Deep Purple's first and biggest hit single, they'd become better known for their early '70s work, including 1973's equally charting "Smoke on the Water" (#426 on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Songs of All Time).
I love that one. Speaking of junior high school, our first dance was held in the school gym (Central Junior High, which doesn't even exist anymore) and our "band" was one of those little gray turntables from the A/V Room. Kids just brought in their own singles to play. "Smoke On The Water" got played about a hundred times.

It may grow on me with listening, but it's pretty bleh by Smokey's standards. For contrast, "More Love" is currently on my 51 Years Ago playlist--now that's one goddamn fine song!
That's a great song. Kim Carnes did a good cover of it, too.

The Bee Gees are a pretty clear case of...brought under?...'70s business. :p
There are definitely two Bee Gees-- the 60s Bee Gees and the 70s Bee Gees. Actually, make that three-- the 60s Bee Gees, the 70s Bee Gees, and the sucky Bee Gees.

I'll have to give a closer listen to see if I can catch what you're getting. Just sounds pretty funky too me...and makes me think of Diana Rigg.
Makes me think of JFK. Diana Rigg? That's interesting.

I can imagine the father/son "someday all this will be yours" bonding moments....
Not to mention those family nights watching gladiator movies.
 
I'm more of a Paul man myself, but I'd never describe John as a "Layabout"! :lol:

Okay...
  • Paul and the Third Wheels?
  • The McCartney-Martin Experience?
  • Macca and the Bureau of the Inadequate?

There we go, did not know that! (And I just Googled it to clarify what vulgar physical act...apparently it's slang for a form of mooning.)

Yes, and occasionally, pushing male genitalia in reverse through the legs, otherwise known as "the whole shebang" or...ugh..."the fruit basket".

So I wasn't off-base in the Who comparison.

Not at all. It seems a few artist of the era got into that weird story song mood. Of course, The Who's "Happy Jack", "Silas Stingy", or "Tattoo", or The Beatles' "Eleanor Rigby" covered that ground, but the stories were understandable, and merely couched in weirdness and/or biting observation.

Interesting. What other slang terms are in the song?

According to a couple of interpretations, Baker seemed to invent his own slang, or rather, play on words with the use of "deroga tree" (derogatory, in the context of the lyrics) as well as other odd references that fan-analysts cannot agree on. Unlike odd/strange songs such as those by The Who and The Beatles listed above, this one left more questions than anyone can answer.

New on the chart:
"The Snake," Al Wilson
(#27 US; #32 R&B; #41 UK)

Ah, part Aesop's Fable, part warning for women against unfaithful men, this was an interesting song, despite being a new song concept. Interesting, but Wilson's magnum opus was "Show and Tell", the 1973 hit that more than earned its number 1 position.

"Special Occasion," Smokey Robinson & The Miracles
(#26 US; #4 R&B)

Eh. Not anything special.

"I've Gotta Get a Message to You," Bee Gees
(#8 US; #1 UK)

Mini-classic..

"The House That Jack Built," Aretha Franklin
(#6 US; #2 R&B)

Passed on this decades ago and that decision stands.

"I Say a Little Prayer," Aretha Franklin
(B-side of "The House That Jack Built"; #10 US; #3 R&B; #4 UK)

Its an OK version, but lacks the heart (and great instrument selection) of Dionne Warwick's masterwork.

"Girl Watcher," The O'Kaysions
(#5 US; #6 R&B)

Always a fun song.

"Hush," Deep Purple
(#4 US; #58 UK)

Along with acts like the Guess Who, Blood, Sweat and Tears, and Bachman-Turner Overdrive, this was a song pointing to a rich rock framework with some underlying soul elements that would be popular at least into the first half of the 1970s.

"Little Green Apples," O.C. Smith
(#2 US; #4 AC; #2 R&B; 1969 Grammy Award for Song of the Year)

Always great to hear.
 
Makes me think of JFK. Diana Rigg? That's interesting.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0516915/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2

Okay...
  • Paul and the Third Wheels?
  • The McCartney-Martin Experience?
  • Macca and the Bureau of the Inadequate?
While I'm always happy to see Paul (and George Martin) get some recognition to counter the deification of John that's been going on for decades, I've long felt that John and Paul are not an either/or option...it was the creative synergy of those two formidable and complementary talents working together in the same group that made the Beatles greater than the sum of its parts.

Yes, and occasionally, pushing male genitalia in reverse through the legs, otherwise known as "the whole shebang" or...ugh..."the fruit basket".
Sounds like you got your info from the same Urban Dictionary page that I found when I Googled it.

the Guess Who
These guys will be popping up for our purposes in the coming year.
Bachman-Turner Overdrive
Whereas these guys are still years in the future.
Blood, Sweat and Tears
Ah, but while their first hit single is still in our future, they're already part of the album landscape in 50th Anniversaryland. Child Is Father to the Man (Release: Feb. 21, 1968; Debut: Apr. 13, 1968; Peak: #47, June 1, 1968; #264 on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums of All Time)--a recent purchase of mine--didn't produce any hit singles, but brought into play the "Jazz-Rock" style that we'll also be hearing from Chicago.

"I Love You More Than You'll Ever Know"
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"I Can't Quit Her"
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood,_Sweat_&_Tears
Wiki said:
The band is most notable for their fusion of rock, blues, pop music, horn arrangements and jazz improvisation into a hybrid that came to be known as "jazz-rock". Unlike "jazz fusion" bands, which tend toward virtuosic displays of instrumental facility and some experimentation with electric instruments, the songs of Blood, Sweat & Tears merged the stylings of rock, pop and R&B/soul music with big band, while also adding elements of 20th century classical and small combo jazz traditions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Is_Father_to_the_Man#Reception
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Writing for AllMusic, critic William Ruhlman wrote the album was "Al Kooper's finest work, an album on which he moves the folk-blues-rock amalgamation of the Blues Project into even wider pastures, taking in classical and jazz elements (including strings and horns), all without losing the pop essence that makes the hybrid work. This is one of the great albums of the eclectic post-Sgt. Pepper era of the late '60s, a time when you could borrow styles from Greenwich Village contemporary folk to San Francisco acid rock and mix them into what seemed to have the potential to become a new American musical form... This is the sound of a group of virtuosos enjoying itself in the newly open possibilities of pop music."


My next proper 50th Anniversary Album Spotlight, which is still in the works, will be Music from Big Pink by the Band.

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Oh, yeah, I remember that one.

While I'm always happy to see Paul (and George Martin) get some recognition to counter the deification of John that's been going on for decades, I've long felt that John and Paul are not an either/or option...it was the creative synergy of those two formidable and complementary talents working together in the same group that made the Beatles greater than the sum of its parts.
That's certainly very true.

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The DVR is primed and ready to go. All the episodes on my list showed up in the binge.
 
I've been watching a lot of "My Mother The Car" lately (received the DVDs for my birthday). It is so bad that it is great. Jerry Van Dyke is hilarious and the entire premise is so absurd that I can see why it was panned back in the 60s, before absurdist humour really took off. The show just really tickles my funny bone. Too bad there is only 1 season, though I'm grateful we even got that much.
 
That's a show I've never managed to see much of. I guess it falls into that category of Normal-Person-With-A-Weird-Roommate, like My Favorite Martian and I Dream Of jeannie, although in this case the roommate lives in the garage. :rommie:
 
I caught a bit of My Mother the Car when Antenna was showing it on Sunday mornings, but it's not currently in their schedule.

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In case anyone hasn't seen it:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/aretha-franklin-queen-of-soul-gravely-ill.295503/

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50th Anniversary Album Spotlight

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Music from Big Pink
The Band
Released July 1, 1968
Chart debut: August 10, 1968
Chart peak: #30, November 16, 1968
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_from_Big_Pink#Reception
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In 2003, the album was ranked number 34 on Rolling Stone magazine's list of the 500 greatest albums of all time. The laid-back feel of the album attracted the attention of other major artists. For example, Eric Clapton cites the album's roots rock style as what convinced him to quit Cream, and pursue the styles of Blind Faith, Delaney and Bonnie, Derek and the Dominos, and his debut album. George Harrison was also impressed by the album's musicianship and sense of camaraderie, and Roger Waters called it the second "most influential record in the history of rock and roll", after Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, and said that it "affected Pink Floyd deeply, deeply, deeply." According to Terry Burrows, the album spawned the Americana genre, while music academic Chris Smith said its songs laid the groundwork for roots rock music.

There's no argument that this album was bringing something new to the table musically, but the nature of its songs was such that I found myself looking more closely at the lyrics and what the songs were about.

The album opens with "Tears of Rage," written by Bob Dylan and Richard Manuel, an anguished song about a daughter who's gone out to find truth in the counterculture, with a guru, whatever, and is learning some life lessons while her father feels cast aside.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tears_of_Rage
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Andy Gill likens the song to King Lear's soliloquy on the blasted heath in Shakespeare's tragedy: "Wracked with bitterness and regret, its narrator reflects upon promises broken and truths ignored, on how greed has poisoned the well of best intentions, and how even daughters can deny their father's wishes." He suggests that Dylan is linking the anguish of Lear’s soliloquy to the divisions in American society apparent in 1967, as the Vietnam War escalated: "In its narrowest and most contemporaneous interpretation, the song could be the first to register the pain of betrayal felt by many of America’s Vietnam war veterans. … In a wider interpretation [it] harks back to what anti-war protesters and critics of American materialism in general felt was a more fundamental betrayal of the American Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights."


Next up is the more upbeat, Robbie Robertson-penned "To Kingdom Come". It's definitely full of religious imagery, though I generally find the lyrics cryptic. Perhaps it's about being on the inside of that experience of seeking truth in alternative faiths.

Manuel's "In a Station" slows it down again, but in a less angsty manner than the opening track. I sense a theme here...this definitely seems about searching for meaning, in religion and/or relationships.

Robertson's "Caledonia Mission," sung by Rick Danko, seems to concern a practitioner of witchcraft who's been imprisoned in some manner, literally or figuratively. It has a good country/funk vibe going in places.

Side One closes with an uber-classic that surprisingly didn't even crack the Top 40 back in the day:

"The Weight"
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(Charted Aug. 31, 1968; #63 US; #21 UK; #41 on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Songs of All Time)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Weight
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Written by Band member Robbie Robertson, the song is about a visitor's experiences in a town mentioned in the lyric's first line as Nazareth. "The Weight" has significantly influenced American popular music, having been listed as #41 on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Songs of All Time published in 2004. Pitchfork Media named it the 13th best song of the Sixties, and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame named it one of the 500 Songs that Shaped Rock and Roll. PBS, which broadcast performances of the song in "Ramble at the Ryman" (2011), "Austin City Limits" (2012), and "Quick Hits" (2012), describes it as "a masterpiece of Biblical allusions, enigmatic lines and iconic characters" and notes its enduring popularity as "an essential part of the American songbook."
Sung by Levon Helm with Rick Danko, this song about a weary, increasingly burdened traveler has a great "road vibe". It's said to have been inspired in part by Robertson's experience visiting the American South for the first time.

Side Two opens with Manuel's "We Can Talk". Featuring Manuel, Helm, and Danko on vocals, it's an uplifting, playful song noteworthy for its organ work and the change of tempo in its middle eight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Can_Talk
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"We Can Talk" shows unrelated snippets of conversation between members of The Band. Levon Helm wrote in his autobiography "It's a funny song that really captures the way we spoke to one another; lots of outrageous rhymes and corny puns."


Next up is "Long Black Veil," a country ballad about a man who allows himself to be convicted of a crime he didn't commit to keep an affair with a married woman secret, which I was already familiar with from Johnny Cash's version on At Folsom Prison. Sung by Danko and written in 1959 by Marijohn Wilkin and Danny Dill, it's the only cover on the album.

"Chest Fever" has a very distinctive sound that I'd classify as psychedelic rock fused with funk, which makes it stand out from other tracks on the album:
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Written by Robertson and sung by Manuel, it's noteworthy for its organ intro "based on Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor" (Wiki) and another tempo-chaging middle eight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chest_Fever
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The lyrics, according to Levon Helm, were originally improvised by Levon Helm and Richard Manuel, telling the story of a man who becomes sick when he is spurned by the woman he loves.

Robertson has since said the lyrics were nonsensical, used only while the instrumental tracks were recorded. "I'm not sure that I know the words to 'Chest Fever'; I'm not even so sure there are words to 'Chest Fever'." He has also stated the entirety of the song does not make sense.


"Lonesome Suzie" is a sorrowful song in which Manuel's strained vocals cross the line into sounding a bit whiny to my ear.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lonesome_Suzie
Wiki said:
Drummer Levon Helm has said that "...Lonesome Suzie was Richard's failed attempt to write a hit record."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lonesome_Suzie#Theme
Wiki said:
The song follows a seemingly troubled woman who hopes to acquire a friend or lover but struggles in doing so. The narrator offers his support, but is not a suitable match. He says he doesn't belong there, but may know someone who does. The narrator, of course, means himself the entire time eventually asking the woman to be with him in the line "why don't we get together, what else can we do?"


Written by Dylan and Danko, "This Wheel's on Fire" is another of the album's more distinctive numbers, featuring Garth Hudson on Rocksichord:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Wheel's_on_Fire
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It was originally recorded by Dylan and The Band during their 1967 sessions, portions of which (including this song) comprised the 1975 album, The Basement Tapes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Wheel's_on_Fire#Background
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Danko recounted how the song was written: "We would come together every day and work and Dylan would come over. He gave me the typewritten lyrics to 'This Wheel's On Fire'. At that time I was teaching myself to play the piano.... Some music I had written on the piano the day before just seemed to fit with Dylan's lyrics. I worked on the phrasing and the melody. Then Dylan and I wrote the chorus together."


The album closes with the Dylan-written, Manuel-sung "I Shall Be Released":
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The first recording was made in collaboration with the Band during the "basement tapes" sessions in 1967, and eventually released on The Bootleg Series Volumes 1–3 in 1991.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Shall_Be_Released#Style_and_content
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The song is influenced by gospel music, combining imagery of religious redemption, or release from sin, with implied literal release from prison. David Yaffe describes it as a song about "redeemed prisoners". The singer describes life behind a wall reflecting on every man "who put me here" and a man "who swears he's not to blame" who is "crying out that he was framed". He repeats that "any day now" he will be released. Mike Marqusee says that "the first person narrator speaks from a prison cell. Prison—and more broadly the cruelty of the justice system—is a leitmotif in Dylan's work", but that Dylan broadens the idea of imprisonment to link social issues with a seemingly ancient urge for freedom.
I have the same issue here with Manuel's high, whiny vocals; I'm not sure if I've heard Dylan's version, but I prefer to picture him singing it.

Overall, a well-crafted, enjoyable album that I could see myself putting on some more when my purchases have slowed down to a non-weekly pace.

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Our next album spotlight will be for a record that didn't make the Rolling Stone list, but happens to be 50th Anniversaryland's latest LP from my second-favorite band: Waiting for the Sun by the Doors.

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Yeah, I saw that. She's only 76, a year younger than my Mother. :(

There's no argument that this album was bringing something new to the table musically, but the nature of its songs was such that I found myself looking more closely at the lyrics and what the songs were about.
Very interesting. I knew next to nothing about The Band and their music, although I've always loved "The Weight." Basically, in my little world, they were a one-hit wonder, so I had no idea they were so influential. I'll have to delve into them a bit deeper over the weekend if I can.
 
Interesting...I'd have thought you'd be into the Band for the Dylan connection if nothing else. They'd previously toured as his band; they recorded what would later be released as The Basement Tapes with him in the house that some of the members were living in, which the Big Pink album was named for; those sessions sparked the creation of the Big Pink album, which Dylan was going to perform on but ultimately chose to let them "make their own statement"; and he contributed the painting that appears on the album cover!

They also had one Top 30 single back in the day, 1969's "Up on Cripple Creek" (#25). Its B-side, "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down," is their other entry on the Rolling Stone 500 Songs list (#245). Their second, eponymous album, which includes those two tracks, is also on the Rolling Stone albums list (#45).

50th Anniversaryland is now firmly in the era of the schism between singles-based AM radio and album-oriented FM radio; delving a bit more deeply into an act like the Band is a good example of why I decided to broaden my immersive retro to include some choice album selections.
 
While I'm always happy to see Paul (and George Martin) get some recognition to counter the deification of John that's been going on for decades, I've long felt that John and Paul are not an either/or option...it was the creative synergy of those two formidable and complementary talents working together in the same group that made the Beatles greater than the sum of its parts.

Deification of John is right on point. This is not any disrespect for Lennon's horrible fate, but in a musical talent assessment sense, a tragic death should not have added some grand state of creative credit to his music that was not considered in that way just one day earlier. Its the same with Elvis; the man had some great songs but most of his output (and I've listened to a wide range of Elvis in my time) is just "plug 'n play Elvis style" with nothing distinctive or especially memorable about it, but as of that August night in 1977, suddenly, Elvis's back catalog was treated like unearthed riches from an Egyptian tomb, when he had been largely written off as anything relevant by 1970.

When talking to fellow Beatles fans over the decades, I have and will always say that and casual look at the creative output of McCartney and Lennon within The Beatles and in the solo years knows who really knew how to write not just "good tunes," but stacks of masterpieces. That was not Lennon.


Sounds like you got your info from the same Urban Dictionary page that I found when I Googled it.

I think so.

These guys will be popping up for our purposes in the coming year.

Yep.

Whereas these guys are still years in the future.

That's why I referenced them; their mix of styles would become more common in that next decade, while in the case of Deep Purple in "this" year, it was something innovative (or, successfully taking that next step built on a decade of groups trying to make that perfect blend of rock, R&B/soul / blues).

Ah, but while their first hit single is still in our future, they're already part of the album landscape in 50th Anniversaryland. Child Is Father to the Man (Release: Feb. 21, 1968; Debut: Apr. 13, 1968; Peak: #47, June 1, 1968; #264 on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums of All Time)--a recent purchase of mine--didn't produce any hit singles, but brought into play the "Jazz-Rock" style that we'll also be hearing from Chicago.

Its a great album, and I can sort of hear a sound that early Chicago were using in 1969's Chicago Transit Authority, with songs such as "Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?" and "Beginnings". Another act that would sort of share this sound was Skylark, the short-lived Canadian group who produced the 1972 hit, "Wildflower", which was as much a soul ballad as it was an extended rock piece.
 
Deification of John is right on point. This is not any disrespect for Lennon's horrible fate, but in a musical talent assessment sense, a tragic death should not have added some grand state of creative credit to his music that was not considered in that way just one day earlier. Its the same with Elvis; the man had some great songs but most of his output (and I've listened to a wide range of Elvis in my time) is just "plug 'n play Elvis style" with nothing distinctive or especially memorable about it, but as of that August night in 1977, suddenly, Elvis's back catalog was treated like unearthed riches from an Egyptian tomb, when he had been largely written off as anything relevant by 1970.
I don't believe in countering the deification of John by pretending that he contributed nothing of worth, however. He contributed plenty, to the band and rock history.

As for Elvis...yeah, he put out a lot of crap, but when he was on his game, he was iconic. And even when he wasn't on his game, he was still iconic in a kitschy way.

Another act that would sort of share this sound was Skylark, the short-lived Canadian group who produced the 1972 hit, "Wildflower", which was as much a soul ballad as it was an extended rock piece.
Interesting...that's one that I'd missed while working on my '70s playlists, when my methodology was more loosey-goosey. At this rate, perhaps I'll be getting around to it in 5 years. I don't think it shares the main thing that BS&T and Chicago have in common sonically, though, which is their regular use of horns. From that single, I'd characterize Skylark as '70s Soft Rock.
 
Interesting...I'd have thought you'd be into the Band for the Dylan connection if nothing else. They'd previously toured as his band; they recorded what would later be released as The Basement Tapes with him in the house that some of the members were living in, which the Big Pink album was named for; those sessions sparked the creation of the Big Pink album, which Dylan was going to perform on but ultimately chose to let them "make their own statement"; and he contributed the painting that appears on the album cover!
Yeah, that all pretty much flew under my radar somehow. :rommie:

They also had one Top 30 single back in the day, 1969's "Up on Cripple Creek" (#25). Its B-side, "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down," is their other entry on the Rolling Stone 500 Songs list (#245). Their second, eponymous album, which includes those two tracks, is also on the Rolling Stone albums list (#45).
Yeah, I like "Up On Cripple Creek," too. I don't think I even knew they did "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down."
 
I don't believe in countering the deification of John by pretending that he contributed nothing of worth, however. He contributed plenty, to the band and rock history

I did not say he did not contribute anything of worth. I'm saying he was not on McCartney's level as a songwriter, which caused increasing tensions within the band. Although the following account has been reported in many publications over the decades, if we're to believe this passage about the making of Sgt. Pepper's from John Robertson's The Complete Guide to The Beatles--

"Meanwhile, John Lennon was deep in a creative trough. For the first time, Lennon and McCartney appeared--to Lennon, at least--to be in competition rather than on the same side. Since The Beatles had played their final live shows in August, McCartney had been composing--first the musical themes for the film The Family Way, then the songs that would appear on the next Beatles album. Lennon had also been involved in film work, but as an actor in Dick Lester's How I Won the War.
Required for the part to shed his Beatle locks, he adopted the granny specs that soon became his trademark, stared into the mirror, and wondered what the future might bring for an unemployed Beatle. Back in England at the end of the filming, Lennon regarded McCartney's enthusiasm to get into the studio as a threat. Aware that he was likely to be outnumbered in the songwriting stakes, he raised the emotional barriers and took against the Pepper album from the start."


That reads as Lennon being aware of his shortcomings compared to McCartney, and did not like Paul's creative ambition for this album (if you read the preface on the chapter on Sgt. Pepper's), a sentiment that would last for the remainder of the band's time together. So, whatever Lennon believed about the differences between his songwriting and that of Paul's the actual output certainly mirrored a pecking order of creative quality. One might argue its all subjective, but its no surprise songs that were either "all" McCartney, or heavily leaning under his direction are likely the most memorable in The Beatles catalog. Again John has some great songs, but he's not the equal (or in some arguments, superior) some rock writers and Yoko Ono claim he was.


As for Elvis...yeah, he put out a lot of crap, but when he was on his game, he was iconic. And even when he wasn't on his game, he was still iconic in a kitschy way.

I think most would agree his 1968 comeback was his last moment of being iconic to any degree, but that did not stop both his swarms of fans and the media to treat all of his work--even post 1970 as wonderful the moment he died. Celebrity death occasionally has the tendency to make worshippers forget all failings or mistakes (professional as well as personal) to elevate the deceased as an angel on earth. In Presley's case, I really do not know what would have become of him had he lived, since he was every bit the glittery Vegas attraction he's (almost) best known for as a performer, lacking the edge he once held when rock music was young and still found him daring.


Interesting...that's one that I'd missed while working on my '70s playlists, when my methodology was more loosey-goosey. At this rate, perhaps I'll be getting around to it in 5 years. I don't think it shares the main thing that BS&T and Chicago have in common sonically, though, which is their regular use of horns. From that single, I'd characterize Skylark as '70s Soft Rock.

Soft rock? Hmm...
 
Yeah, that all pretty much flew under my radar somehow. :rommie:
To be fair, I just read it all on Wiki.

I did not say he did not contribute anything of worth.
Okay...
  • Paul and the Third Wheels?
  • The McCartney-Martin Experience?
  • Macca and the Bureau of the Inadequate?


As for Elvis and how he was regarded after death...today is the 41st anniversary of that occasion. On such a day, it's only natural to err on the side of paying tribute to the King.

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The September episode of Decades Presents 1968, airing Monday the 3rd, will be "Television".
The Decades online schedule said:
Many iconic TV shows debuted in 1968. We’ll take a look at some of those fan favorites like Mod Squad, The Carol Burnett Show, The Monkees, Bonanza and Family Affair.
Umm...only one of those shows debuted in 1968....
 
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  • Paul and the Third Wheels?
  • The McCartney-Martin Experience?
  • Macca and the Bureau of the Inadequate?

That was humor, but the book quote says much about what Lennon thought about his own ability and McCartney's.

As for Elvis and how he was regarded after death...today is the 41st anniversary of that occasion. On such a day, it's only natural to err on the side of paying tribute to the King

Personally, I think "Kentucky Rain" is his best song. Its earthy and full of heart. No showy "Elvis-isms".

The September episode of Decades Presents 1968, airing Monday the 3rd, will be "Television".

Umm...only one of those shows debuted in 1968....

Yeah, that was a very inaccurate list. I dont have Decades, but I would hope their look at the Class of 1968 would include Land of the Giants, Adam-12, The Banana Splits Adventure Hour, The Batman/Superman Hour and other memorable series.
 
That was humor, but the book quote says much about what Lennon thought about his own ability and McCartney's.
John and Paul were always competitors as well as partners, and it's well-documented in Beatles lore that John's ego and motivation were at a low point in 1967, and that Paul had assumed de facto leadership of the band. That was a temporary dynamic and doesn't serve as a representative snapshot of John's role throughout the lifetime of the group. Pepper was Paul's baby, and John was the first to tell anyone that. And he still managed to give us "Strawberry Fields Forever," "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds," "A Day in the Life," "All You Need Is Love," and "I Am the Walrus" in that year.
 
One might argue its all subjective, but its no surprise songs that were either "all" McCartney, or heavily leaning under his direction are likely the most memorable in The Beatles catalog. Again John has some great songs, but he's not the equal (or in some arguments, superior) some rock writers and Yoko Ono claim he was.
They were certainly very different talents, both in terms of temperament and style. Paul was a performance artist and John was a poet, so I personally like them for very different reasons. And, really, as far as the spark of creativity goes, both of them faded fairly quickly after the Beatles ended.

I think most would agree his 1968 comeback was his last moment of being iconic to any degree, but that did not stop both his swarms of fans and the media to treat all of his work--even post 1970 as wonderful the moment he died. Celebrity death occasionally has the tendency to make worshippers forget all failings or mistakes (professional as well as personal) to elevate the deceased as an angel on earth.
Death has a way of doing that to most people. When it comes to Elvis, I think his later years are more forgiven than celebrated, as one would a brother or uncle. For whatever perfect storm of reasons, Elvis is pure Americana.

To be fair, I just read it all on Wiki.
Ah, Wiki is truly a wonderful thing. :rommie:
 
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