“Jean-Luc Picard is back”: will new Picard show eclipse Discovery?
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New song idea: Total Eclipse of Picard
That's not true. We don't know precisely when the deal was officially finalized, but the announcement of the deal came in June of this year. DSC's first season ended in February. CBS was touting DSC's success by December of 2017, if I recall correctly.
And by the same token, GoT had an advantage in that it didn't have a massive mythology going back over 50 years to which it had to take into account. Some Trek fans use the Star Trek name and history to bash DSC (and previous Trek shows). The Trek name alone is a two edged sword.
If your point here is that Trek is somehow different from other franchises in that it will always be given another chance after a failure, you're right, somewhat. Trek didn't last over 50 years without being resilient, but all we have to do is look back to 2005 after Ent's run ended after only 4 seasons. At that time, the myth of "franchise fatigue" was being promoted from all corners of the franchise. The result of this loose talk was that we didn't get another Trek TV show until 2017.
So, for Trek,the result of shows under performing may not be permanent mothballing of the franchise, but it could result in a LONG hiatus between shows. The suits aren't usually inclined to "throw good money after bad" without very good reason.
BTW, you call it "re-vamping". I call it "moving forward".
Well, GOT was based on a bestselling book series, much like TRUE BLOOD and OUTLANDER, so it wasn't totally unknown.
Like Spock's dad? Maybe it's just a another aspect of pon-farr. I'm sure we'll see it this season.
I admit TOS did a much, much better job of this than the later series. But it was largely forgotten in the "Berman era," where Trek became more about being a self-referential universe with its own internal logic than finding a way to implement a neat sci-fi concept.
DIS was likely successful, insofar as it got a lot of people to initially sign up for CBS All Access. I wouldn't be surprised if most people who signed up and made it past the free trial period stayed on until the end of the series - whether out of enjoyment or to hate watch.
That doesn't mean CBS was necessarily happy with every aspect of how the series turned out. We know they have been very unhappy with how Berg and Harberts blew the budget for example. But it's good enough for them to believe they can make money off Trek.
That doesn't mean CBS was necessarily happy with every aspect of how the series turned out. We know they have been very unhappy with how Berg and Harberts blew the budget for example. But it's good enough for them to believe they can make money off Trek.
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Whatever the rationale, if Discovery was dipping a toe in the water, somewhere along the line a decision was made to just go ALL IN with Trek. This is going to wind up being very costly but it's a gamble they want to make.
As long as every show doesn't just carry over a lot of the problematic design from Discovery, then I think it could work insofar as presenting a way for different segments of fandom to find at least something they can rally around. I am dreading another round of WTF??? here when they start releasing early artwork from the Picard show like what happened with the reveal of the Discovery and related production design. They have to be willing to go for true variety. I'd prefer post-Nemesis to look more or less like Star Trek Online which is both contemporary-looking and familiar at the same time.
As long as every show doesn't just carry over a lot of the problematic design from Discovery, then I think it could work insofar as presenting a way for different segments of fandom to find at least something they can rally around. I am dreading another round of WTF??? here when they start releasing early artwork from the Picard show like what happened with the reveal of the Discovery and related production design. They have to be willing to go for true variety. I'd prefer post-Nemesis to look more or less like Star Trek Online which is both contemporary-looking and familiar at the same time.
Which means they have seen evidence that makes it worth the gamble. CBS is among the more conservative, financially speaking (no politics here), companies and are reluctant to spend money. So, there is money in it to be made. If not, well this is what ousts CEOs and such.
I can't fault CBS for doing this. It is indeed a smart way to keep the CBS All Access afloat by exploiting money from the Star Trek fans. With Disney Streaming coming soon, CBS will need all the subscriptions it can get to stay in the game. Disney is going to be very, very big competition for them.
Digging up Pike, Spock, 1701 and now Picard is a smart business move. Kirk will inevitably be next.
Digging up Pike, Spock, 1701 and now Picard is a smart business move. Kirk will inevitably be next.
An interesting article by Deadline Hollywood regarding the future of Star Trek and the Patrick Stewart project.
https://deadline.com/2018/08/patric...l-access-executives-interview-tca-1202440492/
https://deadline.com/2018/08/patric...l-access-executives-interview-tca-1202440492/
This is what I want as well. Actually this is what we all want it's just that not everyone knows they want it. If they did do this people would then be, "How could I have I ever been so wrong to doubt them. I will watch anything they make now."
Jason
Rumor has it Jean-Luc Picard retires from Starfleet to manage one of Worf's "Kling Burger" franchises (famous for it's Double Targ Royale burger and fresh Gagh combo).
This is what worries me to an extent. It’s like cbs said “what do we got that people like? Star Trek. Ok cool make that. But make it modern so new people will watch it not just geeks”.
And DSC did ok enough for them to think “so that went well enough - but we want more CBSAA subscribers. Who else do people know and like? Picard. Ok cool make that. But make it modern so other people watch it...”
So Picard will turn up in a long leather coat and have a gravelly voice and a “done with life” attitude and will have shut himself off from the force.
Concurrently on DSC it’ll be “so what do people like about this show? The Enterprise. Ok cool make that - in fact, make the Enterprise a new show altogether! But you know, modern etc.”
And before long we’ll see Pike rescue a young blonde haired lad from the colony run by Kodos. And he’ll see greatness in him. And he’ll leave him in command one day despite the objections of all his senior officers including Spock who will have an emotional meltdown. But the young lad will do fine because this is his destiny (see Gotham for comparative storyline).
Yay more Star Trek on tv!
“Will it be any good?”, you ask...
It's almost two decades too late to make Picard 'cool' by giving him a leather trench coat and a gravelly voice.
Interesting that they are considering Discovery spin-offs. I suspect whatever comes out of it (Michelle Yeoh, Harry Mudd, mirror universe, Lorca, etc) would be a mini-series and not a regular series.
It is pretty obvious they at least were considering a Pike-Enterprise spin-off. How far that thought actually went though we don't know. But it's no coincidence they built new sets and cast the leads with big-but-not-too-big names like Anson Mount or Rebecca Romjin, who both are big enoug names to eventually headline a tv-show, but not big enough you wouldn't get them back a year later if the show needs some time.
I think that's not a good idea for a spin-off though - solely because it would be too similar to DIS in both concept and execcution - a prequel set 10 years before classic TOS on a spaceship doing basically the same mission, just prior.
IMO the logical jumping-off point for future Trek spin-offs would be the coming Picard show. I doubt Patrick Steward will be around to do Trek forever, so it would be a good idea to take the new characters, ships and props that will be created for that show and focus on them in the long run. Also something completely unrelated (like a Starfleet Academy show) would make more sense in the "present" of the Trek universe (the 24th century) then it's own "past". But then again - even the Harry Potter franchise nowadays completely focuses on the prequel-past of itself instead of taking the logical route of continuing the story (Fantastic Beasts instead of Auror Harry or the children of the heroes having their own adventures). So who knows what's going off in the heads of Hollywood executives...
I think that's not a good idea for a spin-off though - solely because it would be too similar to DIS in both concept and execcution - a prequel set 10 years before classic TOS on a spaceship doing basically the same mission, just prior.
IMO the logical jumping-off point for future Trek spin-offs would be the coming Picard show. I doubt Patrick Steward will be around to do Trek forever, so it would be a good idea to take the new characters, ships and props that will be created for that show and focus on them in the long run. Also something completely unrelated (like a Starfleet Academy show) would make more sense in the "present" of the Trek universe (the 24th century) then it's own "past". But then again - even the Harry Potter franchise nowadays completely focuses on the prequel-past of itself instead of taking the logical route of continuing the story (Fantastic Beasts instead of Auror Harry or the children of the heroes having their own adventures). So who knows what's going off in the heads of Hollywood executives...
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