Discovery Size Argument™ thread
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That shuttle looks gorgeous! Where was that photo taken?
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/discovery_federation.htm
EAS is giving lengths for all the Starfleet ships, citing the Starship Collection as the source. But I'm not sure how, most of those ships haven't come out yet, let alone have their information released.
Except the Constitution, which he states is an estimation based on visual evidence
He also made a chat using these sizes
Source: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/size-annotations.htm#discovery
EAS is giving lengths for all the Starfleet ships, citing the Starship Collection as the source. But I'm not sure how, most of those ships haven't come out yet, let alone have their information released.
Except the Constitution, which he states is an estimation based on visual evidence
He also made a chat using these sizes
Source: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/size-annotations.htm#discovery
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Eaglemoss have released several cover images, which usually have the sizes on.http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/discovery_federation.htm
EAS is giving lengths for all the Starfleet ships, citing the Starship Collection as the source. But I'm not sure how, most of those ships haven't come out yet, let alone have their information released.
Except the Constitution, which he states is an estimation based on visual evidence
He also made a chat using these sizes
Source: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/size-annotations.htm#discovery
As usual, Bernd is insisting the new Enterprise is smaller than it's meant to be
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We have been given the official size on the wall charts months ago.Eaglemoss have released several cover images, which usually have the sizes on.
As usual, Bernd is insisting the new Enterprise is smaller than it's meant to be
His actions wont change anything, just like they didn't with the Kelvinprise.
Besides the Enterprise and the Vulcan shuttle EAS sizes are apparently from Offcial Starship Collection book. However, the sizes drawn from the book do not seem to match the Eaglemoss wall chart. Nimitz class for example is much smaller here.
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Yes he has, the Enterprise is at least 450m not under 400m.
He has downsized the other ships so that he can do the same to the Enterprise as he obviously doesn't like the new larger size, its a bit desperate though.
Its 2009 all over again, not that I am surprised.
He's probably like me.. doesn't care what other ships sizes are.. there new.. okay.. but the Enterprise has been 289m for 50 years now, and he's a bit bent that they just arbitrarily changed the size to "Match the bigger ships" I mean we can't have a 300m ship running around can we.. -_-
and no, not trying to start another round.. ya'll know my opinion too. Just saying what he's probabaly thinking.. I have read his diatribe.. I usualy go with his lengths on his site when I'm building 3d, he thinks out the size based on evidence. or lack there of.
and no, not trying to start another round.. ya'll know my opinion too. Just saying what he's probabaly thinking.. I have read his diatribe.. I usualy go with his lengths on his site when I'm building 3d, he thinks out the size based on evidence. or lack there of.
There were no numbers on that chart.
The only thing he has downsized on that image is the Vulcan Corvette. His size is based on the shot of Sarak standing in front of it in 'Lethe', which is way smaller then the 142m given by Eaglemoss.
Since we don't actually have an official size for the Connie yet, I dunno if we can call it down sized, just his personal estimate.
Yeah, but 5 (not counting the Connie) of the ships there don't have covers, so I'm confused. Maybe they're estimated sizes based on the size charts?
It really sounds like he cares
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We know the size of the Shenzou and the Discovery so we can accurately measure the size of the other ships from the chart.
The Enterprise is around 460m.
Yet there are those who are keen to try to make it smaller for no other reason than because they don't like it.
The Enterprise is around 460m.
Yet there are those who are keen to try to make it smaller for no other reason than because they don't like it.
Doug Drexler scaled up the TOS Enterprise when designing the MSD in that Enterprise episode on the Mirror Universe Defiant. The scale was approaching 480m which is where Discovery's Enterprise sits.
So this is an issue people have had in trying to marry up the internals with the exterior. Not just something new done for Discovery on a whim. Whether or not it is an issue comes down to opinion I guess, as it is a fictional universe, but I am willing to accept it if the scale makes sense, unlike JJ verse's crazy scaling to make it big for the sake of it.
So this is an issue people have had in trying to marry up the internals with the exterior. Not just something new done for Discovery on a whim. Whether or not it is an issue comes down to opinion I guess, as it is a fictional universe, but I am willing to accept it if the scale makes sense, unlike JJ verse's crazy scaling to make it big for the sake of it.
NASA Johnson Space Center in Houston Texas. A bunch of fans ran a campaign to restore the original shuttle. It was originally on display in the Cafeteria but it got so popular that they moved it to its own display area.
Absolutely!
I think it's a bit silly to fight over exact numbers, since this still is fiction after all, and the sizes change up to +/-20% depending on what the plot asks and how the vfx are done on a specific scene. It's just important the scale is roughly correct, and the relative sizes between different objects and ships are recignizable for a viewer. For the record, I think Drexler's 480m version is really the closest fit to the original design, and luckily tere exists no canon material to contradict that, only non-canon technical books and stories.
This is entirely different from scaling ships up to more than double, or Into Darkness' stardestroyer-sized Vengeance. That is ridiculous, double the size means quadruple the volume, and at that point the Enterprise stops being an explration vessel that can visit other species' planets, and becomes an Indepence-sized agressor ship that carries thousands and thousands of troops in your star system.
Really, the Drexler MSD is fine - two decks sized saucer, three deck high shuttle bay - in fact, I think the actual ship might even be a bit bigger - with two decks continuous through the saucer, even at the negatively vaulted ring on the underside, and the shuttlebay looks actually a bit bigger than three decks as well to fit multiple shuttles inside as depicted on screen. That would match the window size as well. Really, 480m is actually the absolute minimal sie to realistically match what was shown on screen.
You should really get a kick out of this, then...a hilarious series of tongue-in-cheek memoranda traded amongst the TOS production staff over the course of a few days in May 1966, reproduced in Stephen E. Whitfield and Gene Roddenberry's The Making Of Star Trek (originally published 1968):I rather like the mention of Mr. Spook in that. I wonder what Star Trek would be like if we'd had him instead of Spock
The 1966 Star Trek "Vulcan Proper Names" Memos – Sanctuary Moon
BTW, the final passage beginning with the parenthetical "Don't ask me how they still manage to get their work done. I've observed these people for almost two years now, and I still don't understand it..." is not actually part of Solow's memo; that's Whitfield's commentary on the whole affair.
Good times.
-MMoM
Come now, why would they scale the ships to one size on the show and then give us a different size?
Compared to what?
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