There was definitely racism behind the reaction he got but I was under the impression it was also because Jimmy was reimagined as a hunky ladies man which is very far removed from the character as depicted previously.
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There was definitely racism behind the reaction he got but I was under the impression it was also because Jimmy was reimagined as a hunky ladies man which is very far removed from the character as depicted previously.
Ladies man?
He was still engaged to Lois' sister, when he started dating Clark's cousin.
Bit of a jerk really.
...But it's hard to tell that a guy is a jerk, when he looks like that.
He was still engaged to Lois' sister, when he started dating Clark's cousin.
Bit of a jerk really.
...But it's hard to tell that a guy is a jerk, when he looks like that.
Only when he uses his powers, apparently. In the publicity photo released during SFCC, only his hair was green, with black roots.
Well, first off, the whole point was that the show was set about a dozen years into Superman's career, after cub reporter Jimmy Olsen had matured into celebrated photojournalist James Olsen. I'm surprised how many people didn't understand the simple concept of time passing and people growing.
Second, the modern perception that Jimmy Olsen is "supposed to be" a gawky nerd is based almost entirely on Jack Larson and Marc McClure. When he was created for radio, the intent of Jimmy Olsen was that he was the cool kid, the identification figure for the show's young audience. His wide-eyed wholesomeness and "Jeepers, golly, Mr. Kent" attitude may seem nerdy in retrospect, but by '40s standards he was pretty much the idealized 12- or 13-year-old boy, a smart, adventurous, and resourceful youth who got to be Superman's pal and go on amazing adventures and be the kid that every boy in the audience wished he could be. When he got his own comic in the '50s thanks to the TV show, Jimmy became an adventure hero in his own right with no shortage of love interests (albeit in the wholesome, sexless way dictated by the Comics Code), and by the '70s the Jimmy of the comics had matured into a world-famous, globetrotting TV reporter with a shelf full of awards and a reputation for fearlessness. Remember, this was an era when Lois Lane was pretty much relegated to obsessing over love and marriage all the time, so Jimmy had the intrepid-reporter attributes that Lois regained in the Donner movie and the post-Crisis reboot and has held onto ever since. So yes, there is a comics precedent for Supergirl's portrayal of James Olsen. (Even the superhero part, since Jimmy frequently got temporary superpowers in his own title and was even a part-time member of the Legion of Super Heroes, though as Elastic Lad rather than Guardian.)
I don't remember David Harewood getting much criticism.
I seem to remember a lot of comments on Tyler Hochelin's appearance.
I get the racist element in criticism of Brooks taking the role of Jimmy but there's a double standard in what is acceptable and what is not. It's racist to not accept that casting but it's also racist to accept white actors playing non-white characters.
They hedged their bets anyway because I'd say Winn really is the traditional "Jimmy Olsen" character. Brooks is playing someone else entirely who just happens to be named Jimmy.
(and sorry I can't stop digging myself into a hole with this topic, don't know to quite while I'm behind)
I seem to remember a lot of comments on Tyler Hochelin's appearance.
I get the racist element in criticism of Brooks taking the role of Jimmy but there's a double standard in what is acceptable and what is not. It's racist to not accept that casting but it's also racist to accept white actors playing non-white characters.
They hedged their bets anyway because I'd say Winn really is the traditional "Jimmy Olsen" character. Brooks is playing someone else entirely who just happens to be named Jimmy.
(and sorry I can't stop digging myself into a hole with this topic, don't know to quite while I'm behind)
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Someone criticizing the way an actor who has been cast in a comic-book-related property looks is an immediate indicator that their point of view is not to be taken seriously because it signals that they don't actually have any legitimate criticisms to make and are grasping at straws.
Probably because Hank Henshaw, who he was initially believed to be, wasn't a particularly major character that fandom had an investment in. And probably partly because it's become kind of expected for deep-voiced black actors to play J'onn J'onnz ever since Carl Lumbly defined the role in Justice League.
Yeah -- like I said, there are always complaints whenever a character doesn't look exactly like the comics version, even with actors that fans embrace once they actually see them play the role, like Hoechlin. Which is why it's so tedious that people still jump to the conclusion that they can judge an actor's suitability by looks alone, even after all the times they've been proven wrong.
Yes, getting back to the main issue and after having watched the trailer again--it really underwhelms me with its tone and especially the fight scenes with Dove and Robin. We are still a few months out from the final product so I am hoping that there is still some work to be done and what we get is different than what we see currently.
Jesus. All the bleating about racism and sexism? Seriously?
The point is that being racist and sexist is bad, period. Why is this so hard to understand? The objective in condemning racist and sexist behavior isn't to affect perception of the final product. Jesus.
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I like the casting choice for Starfire.. and honestly Anna Diop is a very attractive woman.. which is also a part of the Starfire character. Skin color/tone isn't as out of place as the horribly fake, low quality wig she is wearing. Yeah the costumes and makeup and special effects are kinda lame.. some design choices are quite nonsensical... but a "black woman cast as Starfire" should not be a divisive issue. I see nothing wrong with it.
Maybe it's the lighting, but I'd be more bothered by the fact that in the SDCC image it looks like her skin tone was altered from her natural color... unless that's the "orange/gold" look they're going for- which I hope it is not.
Misogyny, misandry, both prejudiced and wrong. Neither has any place in civilized society, nor does racism or sexism of any sort. Those Instagram comments are abhorrent and make me sick to know (reinforce the knowledge of...) the existence of such intolerant assholes on our planet.
Still not sure if I'll watch the show... might give it a chance or wait for initial reviews after a few episodes are out.
Maybe it's the lighting, but I'd be more bothered by the fact that in the SDCC image it looks like her skin tone was altered from her natural color... unless that's the "orange/gold" look they're going for- which I hope it is not.
Misogyny, misandry, both prejudiced and wrong. Neither has any place in civilized society, nor does racism or sexism of any sort. Those Instagram comments are abhorrent and make me sick to know (reinforce the knowledge of...) the existence of such intolerant assholes on our planet.
Still not sure if I'll watch the show... might give it a chance or wait for initial reviews after a few episodes are out.
The only things that really bother me about Starfire's design are the fur coat, the lack of gold skin, and the really cheap looking wig.
The dress itself really isn't that bad, IMO, but the fur coat on top of it is just odd, and I think is where the whole hooker thing comes to people's minds.
I'm really not bothered by the fact that they cast a black actress, it just would have been nice if they gave her even a subtle bit of orange or gold to her skin tone.
It's a bit like casting someone as an Orion in a Star Trek production, but then not giving them green skin. Discovery toned down the color a lot, but they were still a shade of green.
The dress itself really isn't that bad, IMO, but the fur coat on top of it is just odd, and I think is where the whole hooker thing comes to people's minds.
I'm really not bothered by the fact that they cast a black actress, it just would have been nice if they gave her even a subtle bit of orange or gold to her skin tone.
It's a bit like casting someone as an Orion in a Star Trek production, but then not giving them green skin. Discovery toned down the color a lot, but they were still a shade of green.
We've been told her outfit in the pilot is not her permanent look. Maybe that includes the hairstyle.
And we see in the pilot that her skin and hair do glow gold and her eyes glow green when she uses her powers, so I guess they're saving it for that, just like Beast Boy only seems to turn green-skinned when he uses his powers. (And I still wonder why the people complaining about Starfire's color aren't complaining about Gar's too.)
Boners?
It's her look for at least part of Season 1, so people either need to accept it or not watch the series.
You make it sound as if the concept of people changing clothes is hard to grasp.
Remember Splash?
Lost foreigners get life skills from the first people they meet.
Maybe minutes after arriving on earth, Kori just happened to have been rescued and nurtured by coven of New York sexworkers?
They dressed her nice, and then taught her a skill.
Because of the language barrier, she just rolled with it, you know until some fat dead beat put a fist full of dollars in her purse, and started waving his dick in her face, and it became clear that she had chosen the wrong mentors.
Although... Koriand'r was sold into slavery as a child by her parents, so the sex industry may not be so new to her. Although I think the (classic) comics might have made out that she was sent to a mine to dig, even though she should have been a political hostage, and treated like a princess or Theon Greyjoy, since she was given to the Citadel to cement an unconditional surrender, and the Citadel wanted that surrender to hold.
I'm not sure how she "consented" to slavery, when each of her fists have the stopping power of a bazooka?
Her super powers must have come along later.
Lost foreigners get life skills from the first people they meet.
Maybe minutes after arriving on earth, Kori just happened to have been rescued and nurtured by coven of New York sexworkers?
They dressed her nice, and then taught her a skill.
Because of the language barrier, she just rolled with it, you know until some fat dead beat put a fist full of dollars in her purse, and started waving his dick in her face, and it became clear that she had chosen the wrong mentors.
Although... Koriand'r was sold into slavery as a child by her parents, so the sex industry may not be so new to her. Although I think the (classic) comics might have made out that she was sent to a mine to dig, even though she should have been a political hostage, and treated like a princess or Theon Greyjoy, since she was given to the Citadel to cement an unconditional surrender, and the Citadel wanted that surrender to hold.
I'm not sure how she "consented" to slavery, when each of her fists have the stopping power of a bazooka?
Her super powers must have come along later.
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