It doesn't mean that Starfleet forgives and forgets.
Anson Mount as Pike SAVES This Show! Wow.
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It doesn't mean that Starfleet forgives and forgets.
I rather strongly disliked that aspect of ST '09, so I'd not be super excited to see DSC repeat the approach. Give the character some time to breathe before shooting them all the way to the top for Pete's sake.
At the start of S1, Burnham was a commander on the verge of becoming a captain after years of service under Georgiou. Whenever Burnham becomes captain, whether immediately, some other time in S2, or later, there can't possibly be any parallel with nuKirk in STXI.
No they aren't. They're writing her very similar to how Spock as First Officer was portrayed in TOS. The difference is: When Kirk ultimately made a decision, Spock shut up and followed orders. Burnham doesn't seem to like to take 'No, we're not doing that...." very well at present, BUT that doesn't make her Captain-like.
I just remember reading all the promo build up of Burnham and it stressed she didn't need to be Captain to be the lead. That is not how our minds work obviously. Top job means top dog. Essentially that equates to agreeing that she won't achieve being a legitimate 'lead' until she is a Captain.
She doesn't have what it takes to be in the position of Captain, yet.
She doesn't have what it takes to be in the position of Captain, yet.
It's a precedent "Timelines" aren't real and don't have jack shit to do with anything.
their knees will start shaking and their fingers pop like a pinch in the neck from Mr Spock
Which is why I don't base my opinions solely off here. I also look at social media discussions and YT reviews and comments.
With Bryan Fuller, JJ Abrams and even Singer (who was close with them) on the committee, the results are very driven by their allegiances toward these franchises and products. JJ is an avid defender of Bad Robot and Kurtzman's work. The Saturn Awards don't give you a good indication of audience reception. They aren't a good indicator to prove that Burnham was well received by viewers.
Lol no. That's funny though.
I can actually confirm that Discovery's second season was always in the cards. I knew S2 was a go from the night of the premiere party. Individuals who work on the show knew it. Apparently Netflix footed the entire bill for Season One, so regardless of the outcome, Season 2 would be a go, to keep All Access afloat..
I recall even posting about that on here during the night of the premiere.
It's representation. The same as having women and gays as characters. It also provides diversity among the characters and creates new stronger dynamics.
Having a strong masculine presence on the cast worked well with Isaacs on S1 and will continue to work well with Pike in S2.
You're projecting.
Your opinion about Isaacs is your own, but if you look back on the episode review threads here and many past discussions, it's clear that he was seen as the breakthrough star and scene stealer (and most compelling character and actor) by many.
Now you're just misinformed.
I never said Pike's Alpha Male traits are necessary to save the show. Go back and re-read the original post.
I specifically said Pike in the center seat saves the show by providing charisma, authority and a lighter, more 'fun' tone appropriate to Trek.
The discussion about masculinity was in regards to having that dynamic add to the diversity of the character interactions. STD could only benefit from having that added.
I don't even know what "strong masculine presence" is supposed to mean. Season 1 featured quite a few men that didn't seem like "weak" characters.
As a side note: Gay characters can be a strong masculine presence as well. Stamets surely feels strong, being the guy who did some of the most dangerous shit in season 1.
Agree with you here. Obviously it is important that the lead character as well as the whole production keeps the momentum going.
I don't know how many fans adore this character or that. One can really only check that out from whatever sources are out there, but for my part Michael is middle of the pack so far. I like to admire a character or feel compelled to watch their next move. Not discounting she will get there but I would certainly dispute (again from point of view) that Michael has carried 'Discovery'. She's in the mix that is the best I can say.
*sniggers*
Out of the main cast: ‘The gays’, Saru, and Ash were all ‘strong masculine presences.’
And the majority of the cast was heterosexual.
So really, if you want things to be ‘equal’ and everyone to get an appearance, DSC is still owing nearly everyone except the straight cis white men.
I eagerly await you supporting my female bisexual Australian character.
Perhaps you should read the audience reviews then;
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/hell_on_wheels/
I'm not offended by gay jokes like that, but laughably you're undermining your own cause.
Sometimes being background or as we can call it here 'secondary' is seen as weak. Like for me Culber was potentially the less dominate in his relationship with Stamets but only just. I thought his compassionate approach to Ripper was strong. There is nothing weak (and not saying someone has said this here) but there is nothing weak about being supportive or caring. Flip side of that is Landry. Outwardly all guns blazing - strong. Yet her death compared to Culber's I didn't care about like his.
Nope. Saru has been a wimp for most of the season. Ash has been a victim for most of the season. Staments is a nerdy beta male. Isaacs really played the only one with an alpha leadership presence and agency, on a consistent basis. Made him stand out, and it was a good dynamic with the others.
Looking forward to that with Pike.
Still doesn’t contradict what I said.
And since I own three seasons of it on DVD, I don’t think I need any RT scores to form my opinions.
The point is that, including Marynators post describing manly content, we’ve basically described most of Pikes screentime in The Cage.
- Bitching about female officers and attempting to put No.1 in her place.
- Whaling on other sweaty men with his shirt off.
And your latter separating of ‘gay’ from ‘strong masculine’ content, makes the need to point out how way too many straight men are loudly oblivious to homerotic content in the stuff they take for granted as representative and ‘made for them.’
(Dang gay people, with their silly ‘queer film theory’. Don’t they understand that they’re undermining themselves?)
Oh...and why on earth would I of all people, present sweaty wrestling men as ‘offending?’ The only way that shit could be any more tailor made for me, is if Chris Hemsworth was involved.
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Well now, there's a waste of life.
And there's another.
Do you understand what a self-selected population is, and why this kind of anecdote is worthless as support of an assertion?
You think they would have learned their lesson from Sisko.
Actually, it's kind of effed up that the only two black leads were the ones who didn't get to be captain from day one. Although I'm sure it's just a bad coincidence.
I always think of a wolf pack when I see the term alpha. Then there's omega... (different than how Trek sees Omega
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