Didn't they? They weren't as blatant as they were with Seven of Nine or TPol, but Frakes, Siddig, Beltran and McNeill were cast to appeal to women in different ways. And in original concepts, Odo was supposed to be a James Dean-type loner.
Is it true that some of the cast didn't get along?
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It's certainly the case that you need to cast attractive actors to get an audience on TV, unfortunately. But there's a fine line between showing attractive females and exploitatively embellishing their sex appeal.
Sidebar question - how are you an admiral with no avatar?!
Hopefully by the time we reach 2369 we will have evolved past all this nonsense.
"Uh oh! ++ Ungood thought crime!
"Uh oh! ++ Ungood thought crime!
Sidebar question - how are you an admiral with no avatar?!
Oh, a little incident with a young idealistic Captain. Let's just say, I may have trusted the wrong aliens and gave an order which she of COURSE disregarded, and then all the brass took her side and I was stripped of my avatar.
That or laziness.
I suspect they were all pretty spiky characters on set! But Siddig and Meaney deffo got on I think - Going on the ale etc...And Rene and Armin are pretty pally on twitter! I think I read their was tension near the end with Farrell - which having read through people's comments about her struggles - now seems perfectly understandable!
There was a perception at the time that there was 'tension' but quite frankly if it helped produce a show of the acting quality of DS9 - then who cares ha! I do seem to recall though that in the wake of Next Gen the cast of Voyager were always talking about how 'great' they got on! Well...at least until...
There was a perception at the time that there was 'tension' but quite frankly if it helped produce a show of the acting quality of DS9 - then who cares ha! I do seem to recall though that in the wake of Next Gen the cast of Voyager were always talking about how 'great' they got on! Well...at least until...
I was at the Michael Dorn Q&A at Raleigh Supercon yesterday. Someone pointedly asked him about his relationship with Avery Brooks. Dorn said that the two "got along famously," saying that they still have a strong and personal relationship. Dorn didn't go into details regarding other relationships, only saying that Brooks was "quirky" and "intense."
Perhaps a little quirky, but the character Ben Sisko (Brooks) was def. intense. I've never been to a con. They have comic con in Pittsburg once in awhile, sometimes with Stan Lee, but I never went. Didnt want to be the only weirdo not in some cosplay or another. Plus crowds and me don'tix well. I practically suffocate.
I once played a Facebook game. You had to name the last character you saw on TV to be your six inch tall peotector. I got Sisko. Yes. I'm covered, watch out everyone else!xD
I once played a Facebook game. You had to name the last character you saw on TV to be your six inch tall peotector. I got Sisko. Yes. I'm covered, watch out everyone else!xD
I know how you feel. I'm not a fan of conventions, often with the same reasons you cite. Mostly, I think they are a waste of money. My wife roped me in, because she wanted to show our son what it was like. And since my wife enjoyed making costumes for our son, I thought she might enjoyed the cosplay related panels. Dorn was awesome, and had his panel been twice as long, I would have considered it enough to say it was money well spent. OTOH, a panel, purportedly on making Star Wars armor and props, was painful. It seems that the panelist only wanted to talk about the process of joining groups like 501st Legion, and only through constant audience questions did information come out on how to actually craft these things. (And not necessarily a lot of information.)
I had a similar reaction to the book: Star Trek Deep Space Nine Companion. It's pretty hefty and the price tag with shipping was a bit hefty imo, at 50 bucks incl. shipping. It covers synopsis of every episisode, lots of pictures, etc, which is fine. I didn't care how they rushed through the synopsis. I was happy they provided Stardates whenever possible. Makes it easier to write a fix if I have a somewhat accurate time when the events would have happened. Unfortunately, I wrote one where Dukat snags a babe off the promenade and sets her up with a sweet deal on Panora, a planet in the DMZ., under his ''generous auspices", lol. He sets her up in a place (think redneck cardies) with a cushy country pad and paid education. Unfortunately he's always gone, etc. But when I rewatched the series I realize that could not happened because at that time, Eddington (from the Maquis) dropped two gas missiles on Panora when she was there to poison the atmosphere.
Aside from the synopsis, photos and conception art there are long, drawn out comments about behind the scenes stuff that didn't help much. Lots of comments from Shimmerman and Abergenois (sic?) because they directed lots of episodes. So did Brooks, Dorn, LeVar Burton, Johnathan Frakes. I think Robinson may have done a couple. Unfortunately, little of it was useful in the way of helping with writing. I would have been far more interested in reading from the actors about how their roles effected them over the years and insight into the psyche of their characters. Of course most of them were probably sick and tired of DS9 by the time it was done and didn't want questions fired at them or whatever. I did get an eyeful of very useful information at another site from Marc Alaimo regarding his role as Dukat, his thoughts about how the producers and directors wanted to take the character. It was sort of spooky. These interviews took place over time and he started out sounding like your average Joe. As time passed, he bacame more and more Dukat-like until it was like character swallowed him up. He went from average to arrogant, petulant, entitled and sometimes the source of inside jokes from other cast members. The episode where he's chatting Nerys to death as the go to look for Ziyal and whoever it was Kira was looking for, she made a remark like, "Sisko was right, you really do love the sound of your own voice." The inside joke was about Alaimo.
I remember watching a panel interview. Lots of cast members were there. Perhaps just that section was specifically supposed to be uploaded by the user for the relevance of Dukat and himself as an actor, etc. But man talk about commandeering an entire conversation. He was doing all the talking and other people were just sort of sitting there and nodding and looking like they wished they were hang gliding or skeet shooting or whatever.
You just would have had to see the interview to see how self absorbed he'd become over time.
As someone who writes, I can relate to struggling with finding a balance between giving the character free will and reigning them in. I find it very strange how self aware characters can seem. Especial when they talk to YOU. I know that sounds nuts but all the people I know, or know of who write (including people like Stephen King) say they dialogue with their characters. The Dukat story I wrote involved the character Bashir. When I was finished with the story, I have this polite, yet relentless version of Bashir 'tapping on my shoulder' saying, "Please give her to me. IllI take better care of her.' He'd give up for awhile then back he comes! Of course I could go on all day about the strangeness of how it seems characters are self aware to an extent but its probably boring af to anyone who doesn't write and even to writers to don't have a knowledge or interest in the characters another person has.
But yeah, that article with interviews is a good example of how a.character can swallow up an actor or writer.
Sorry this was so long! That wasn't my intention. Maybe my little Dukat has begun to swallow me up. Nom, nom, nom
Dukat: "Ah, there's nothing quite like freshly extracted soul with a generous dash of yamok sauce. I put that shit on everything."
XD
Aside from the synopsis, photos and conception art there are long, drawn out comments about behind the scenes stuff that didn't help much. Lots of comments from Shimmerman and Abergenois (sic?) because they directed lots of episodes. So did Brooks, Dorn, LeVar Burton, Johnathan Frakes. I think Robinson may have done a couple. Unfortunately, little of it was useful in the way of helping with writing. I would have been far more interested in reading from the actors about how their roles effected them over the years and insight into the psyche of their characters. Of course most of them were probably sick and tired of DS9 by the time it was done and didn't want questions fired at them or whatever. I did get an eyeful of very useful information at another site from Marc Alaimo regarding his role as Dukat, his thoughts about how the producers and directors wanted to take the character. It was sort of spooky. These interviews took place over time and he started out sounding like your average Joe. As time passed, he bacame more and more Dukat-like until it was like character swallowed him up. He went from average to arrogant, petulant, entitled and sometimes the source of inside jokes from other cast members. The episode where he's chatting Nerys to death as the go to look for Ziyal and whoever it was Kira was looking for, she made a remark like, "Sisko was right, you really do love the sound of your own voice." The inside joke was about Alaimo.
I remember watching a panel interview. Lots of cast members were there. Perhaps just that section was specifically supposed to be uploaded by the user for the relevance of Dukat and himself as an actor, etc. But man talk about commandeering an entire conversation. He was doing all the talking and other people were just sort of sitting there and nodding and looking like they wished they were hang gliding or skeet shooting or whatever.
You just would have had to see the interview to see how self absorbed he'd become over time.
As someone who writes, I can relate to struggling with finding a balance between giving the character free will and reigning them in. I find it very strange how self aware characters can seem. Especial when they talk to YOU. I know that sounds nuts but all the people I know, or know of who write (including people like Stephen King) say they dialogue with their characters. The Dukat story I wrote involved the character Bashir. When I was finished with the story, I have this polite, yet relentless version of Bashir 'tapping on my shoulder' saying, "Please give her to me. IllI take better care of her.' He'd give up for awhile then back he comes! Of course I could go on all day about the strangeness of how it seems characters are self aware to an extent but its probably boring af to anyone who doesn't write and even to writers to don't have a knowledge or interest in the characters another person has.
But yeah, that article with interviews is a good example of how a.character can swallow up an actor or writer.
Sorry this was so long! That wasn't my intention. Maybe my little Dukat has begun to swallow me up. Nom, nom, nom
Dukat: "Ah, there's nothing quite like freshly extracted soul with a generous dash of yamok sauce. I put that shit on everything."
XD
@feral.cherub The DS9 Compedium is actually one of the better Star Trek reference books, at least when it comes to the behind the scenes stuff
Fifty Year Mission is better, but it does not go episode by episode. If you are looking for more insights, perhaps check out the audio interviews that Larry Nemicek has released? I haven't purchased any, but they are supposedly exhaustive interviews of producers and writers that were made as the series were in production. The actors themselves aren't always great resources for individual episodes, guest actors in particular. Someone like Marc Alaimo probably never saw a complete script for any episode, only the scenes he would act in that day. (Casey Biggs tells how he learned he would be killing off a female character while he was being fitted with his prosthetic and makeup. The actress was not yet aware, but heard him blurt it out, running from the trailer. I assume that the character was Ziyal.)
Fifty Year Mission is better, but it does not go episode by episode. If you are looking for more insights, perhaps check out the audio interviews that Larry Nemicek has released? I haven't purchased any, but they are supposedly exhaustive interviews of producers and writers that were made as the series were in production. The actors themselves aren't always great resources for individual episodes, guest actors in particular. Someone like Marc Alaimo probably never saw a complete script for any episode, only the scenes he would act in that day. (Casey Biggs tells how he learned he would be killing off a female character while he was being fitted with his prosthetic and makeup. The actress was not yet aware, but heard him blurt it out, running from the trailer. I assume that the character was Ziyal.)
Yeah, that's not a lot of preparation, esp. if itsi to kill someone off.
Man, no one could pay me enough to do a job like acting no matter the pay was. Especially if it involved heavy prosthetics. I also have the DS9 technical manual but haven't actually needed it yet. Now that one's a jewel if you want to know what something on the station was called, how it looked, functions, etc. Sometimes makes sense out of the technobabble. Shows you how layout of station, all the ship classes, runabouts, etc. Same for enemy craft. It's written in the style of approaching the reader like a Federation member who needs access to such a book, gives a small rundown of some history and so forth. That one's pretty nice to sink your teeth into. I also got a Star Trek Encyclopedia but it came out sometime when the show hadn't been on long I guess. Mostly TOS and TNG. That one can be frustrating. If I have an idea of a function but don't know what it's called, it's sort of hard to find what you need.
I'm actually almost finished with the companion and near the end a few more actors have a few things to say (or someone will say about them, lol)esp if they're directing. On Netflix Im on the last season so I'll probably give Voyager another chance although it hasn't been so interesting so far. Gotta love Neelix though.
I'm not sure which season or episode it was, but did you get the poetic reference the characters Quark peeped out? His customer (don't remember who) said, "There's something wrong with this place." (The station? That area of the quadrant? Not sure.)!And Quark says, "The center cannot hold." And he keeps such a serious, straight face I almost died! In case your not familiar with that line, it comes from William Butler Years The Second Coming, one of my favorites. First read it when Stephen King quoted the last line at the front of The Stand. Almost one of the best lines ever: "And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches off to Bethlehem to be born?" That always raises the hair on my skin and unsettles me. (Not necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes it's good to be unsettled, especially if you enjoy writing stuff.)
As far as cast members not getting along, I heard conflicting reports that no one got along with Terrel and that she was sort of snubbed and a little difficult to work with and that she decided to leave so they killed her off at the end of season six. But then someone would turn around and give another story. I just rolled my eyes and shrugged at that point beecause I really didn't care beyond hoping she found other work to support herself. Felt sorry for the Ezri character in her second episode. She wasn't trained to be joined, was understandably having identity problems and EVERYONE ripped into her so hard. I'm sure her appearance made people resentful and unsettled because this is Dax but not Jads and they seem to feel that her carrying Jads memories messed up with their closre and just general all around unsettling. It caught me off guard how vicious Garak was to her especially considering that she never stormed his store and cleaned his clock like Sisko did self righteously after using him like a tool. Garak remained amazingly composed and his reply was extremely satisfying. So who's the REAL asshole, huh? Lol. But man! The way he and everyone tore into her! And Sisko's choice of words were shocking, considering he'd known Dax in two forms and was surely would understand, if anyone, how an untrained joined Trill could be a bit addled.
Jeez, here I am going off on an off topic tangent again!
Sorry. Bipolar thing. My thoughts branch like a tree and take off (against my will!!)on their own.
And there was something I wanted to ask or open a new thread about and now I've forgotten! Beh. Meh.
Man, no one could pay me enough to do a job like acting no matter the pay was. Especially if it involved heavy prosthetics. I also have the DS9 technical manual but haven't actually needed it yet. Now that one's a jewel if you want to know what something on the station was called, how it looked, functions, etc. Sometimes makes sense out of the technobabble. Shows you how layout of station, all the ship classes, runabouts, etc. Same for enemy craft. It's written in the style of approaching the reader like a Federation member who needs access to such a book, gives a small rundown of some history and so forth. That one's pretty nice to sink your teeth into. I also got a Star Trek Encyclopedia but it came out sometime when the show hadn't been on long I guess. Mostly TOS and TNG. That one can be frustrating. If I have an idea of a function but don't know what it's called, it's sort of hard to find what you need.
I'm actually almost finished with the companion and near the end a few more actors have a few things to say (or someone will say about them, lol)esp if they're directing. On Netflix Im on the last season so I'll probably give Voyager another chance although it hasn't been so interesting so far. Gotta love Neelix though.
I'm not sure which season or episode it was, but did you get the poetic reference the characters Quark peeped out? His customer (don't remember who) said, "There's something wrong with this place." (The station? That area of the quadrant? Not sure.)!And Quark says, "The center cannot hold." And he keeps such a serious, straight face I almost died! In case your not familiar with that line, it comes from William Butler Years The Second Coming, one of my favorites. First read it when Stephen King quoted the last line at the front of The Stand. Almost one of the best lines ever: "And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches off to Bethlehem to be born?" That always raises the hair on my skin and unsettles me. (Not necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes it's good to be unsettled, especially if you enjoy writing stuff.)
As far as cast members not getting along, I heard conflicting reports that no one got along with Terrel and that she was sort of snubbed and a little difficult to work with and that she decided to leave so they killed her off at the end of season six. But then someone would turn around and give another story. I just rolled my eyes and shrugged at that point beecause I really didn't care beyond hoping she found other work to support herself. Felt sorry for the Ezri character in her second episode. She wasn't trained to be joined, was understandably having identity problems and EVERYONE ripped into her so hard. I'm sure her appearance made people resentful and unsettled because this is Dax but not Jads and they seem to feel that her carrying Jads memories messed up with their closre and just general all around unsettling. It caught me off guard how vicious Garak was to her especially considering that she never stormed his store and cleaned his clock like Sisko did self righteously after using him like a tool. Garak remained amazingly composed and his reply was extremely satisfying. So who's the REAL asshole, huh? Lol. But man! The way he and everyone tore into her! And Sisko's choice of words were shocking, considering he'd known Dax in two forms and was surely would understand, if anyone, how an untrained joined Trill could be a bit addled.
Jeez, here I am going off on an off topic tangent again!
Sorry. Bipolar thing. My thoughts branch like a tree and take off (against my will!!)on their own.
And there was something I wanted to ask or open a new thread about and now I've forgotten! Beh. Meh.
Was Sisko using Garak? It seemed a lot like Garak using Sisko. Garak wanted the Romulans in the war, but he couldn't do it without someone getting the Senator to DS9, and the forger guy from the Klingons, and the biomemetic macguffin from Bashir. That's why Sisko was so mad - he was the tool and Garak was the user.
IMO, they used each other. Garak used Sisko because he could open doors that Garak needed opened and Sisko used Garak to do the things he couldn't bring himself to do. I read Sisko's anger as strictly being with himself, for setting aside his Federation ideals for the greater good. But, in the end he could live with it.
This analogy comes to mind:
Apt Pupil- Stephen King
Todd Bowden: Have you lost your mind? What the hell were you thinking, 'Grandpa'?
Kurt Dussander: What are you so excited about?
Todd Bowden: Oh, you've got some fucking balls! I could have screwed you up, anything could have happened!
Kurt Dussander: You played it beautifully, boy. I knew you would.
Todd Bowden: Are you fucking drunk? I could have busted you right there!
Kurt Dussander: Yes, you could have, but you did not. Now, why was that? Your Edward French is not going to give you any more trouble, so now you are upset because the only way you can make things right is to work.
Todd Bowden: I'm upset because you had that asshole thinking I can do something that can't be done!
Kurt Dussander: Oh, but it can. And it will. You will simply have to work. No more stories. No more screwing around.
Todd Bowden: I don't take orders from you.
Kurt Dussander: [sniggers] You do now.
Todd Bowden: Oh, you think so? Yeah, well, don't forget I could walk right in there and pick up that phone...
Kurt Dussander: And do what? Do you really think that I would stand aside and let you turn me in without dragging you with me, do you? Your American self confidence is so bloated you've forgotten the reality of the situation. 90,000 died in Patin. To the whole world, I am a monster. And you have known about me all this time. If I'm caught, when those reporters stick their microphones in my face it will be your name that I will repeat over and over again. Todd Bowden, Todd Bowden... Todd Bowden, yes, that was his name. For how long, for months, almost a year, he wanted to know everything. That was how he put it, yes, everything.
Todd Bowden: You're crazy. They'll never believe you.
Kurt Dussander: It doesn't matter. Oh, you're going to be infamous, boy, take my word for it. And do you know what such a scandal can do? It never goes away. Not for you, not for your parents. And besides, lying to judges and reporters isn't as easy as you think. You'd have to be brilliant. Can you do that? I know I can.
Kurt Dussander: To have someone in your control. To have them know that they are alive only because you have not decided to the contrary. Do you have that power? Ask yourself. It's not an easy question, I think you know that.
Todd Bowden: You know this means we're through, don't you? You won't be seeing me around here anymore.
Kurt Dussander: No. I suppose I won't.
Todd Bowden: What are you doing?
[he's pouring two glasses of whiskey]
Kurt Dussander: This is the end. Here. A drink. To our lives together. The beginning and the end.
Todd Bowden: I think you should fuck yourself.
Kurt Dussander: Oh, my dear boy. Don't you see? We are fucking each other.
Edward French: You can't do this, Todd.
Todd Bowden: You have no idea what I can do.
Haven't read it but it looks like an interesting book.
Actually one of four shorter novellas in a volume called Different Seasons. Apt pupil was actually made into a movie staring Ian McKellan as the Nazi the kid discovers.
The book also contains two other stories adapted to movies: Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption (Shawshank Redemption) and The Body (Stand by Me, the movie with Wil Wheaton as one of the four kids Also River Phoenix, Corey Feldman and the good looking guy from Sliders when he was kid. Don't recall his name.) Shawshank is classic but Apt Pupil is edge-of-your-seat psychological suspense and horror.
If this is indeed true about Rick Berman and his sexist ways then I'm not entirely surprised when you consider that Gene Roddenberry was his mentor. Roddenberry was well known as a bit of a womaniser and having certain views on women. This kind of sexist attitude to women isnt new in the star trek universe though. I remember reading a thing years ago about Grace Lee Whitney who was Janice Rand in the original series. She was sacked apparently but not before having to endure sexist behaviour on the show. She didnt say who or what was involved but she did kind of hint that she was actually sexually assaulted by someone to do with the show. Weather that was a fellow cast member or a producer or some executive we'll never know now. Interestingly though she was great friends with Leonard Nimoy and she & he are the only two people that know 100% what actually happened. Since both are no longer with us I guess we'll never know the whole truth. She was also great friends with Deforest Kelley. It was actually Kelley that got her a part in the movies after seeing her one day waiting in line for unemployment benefit or whatever its called in the USA.
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