CW network working on Batwoman series
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Oh I wouldn't worry about Supergirl shying away from anything, they just announced a new villain for season 4:
Make Earth-38 Great Again?
Are both in the DC verse with Batman, being my point.
Yeah, but Batgirl is a protege and sometime partner of Batman, while Batwoman is an independent operative who just happened to adopt the motif for her own purposes. So it's easier to do a Batman-less show with Batwoman than it would be with Batgirl.
No-one said that.
Not really because Kara already has her own cast of men superhero allies, nevermind those already within the DCW.
It gets brought up all the time. For example, it was one of the main points of discussion over the summer break after the island got blowed up. Or when Ra's kicked Ollie off the mountaintop. In fact, for years now, whenever Ollie finds himself in great cliffhanger peril, the running assumption is that Barry is going to save him. (Even though he almost never does.) Though I admit I think a lot of it is born out of wanting to see the big fangasim moment.
And yet, if it wasn't for a handful of women, Oliver would have been up Shit Creek long ago.
No big deal, but you implied the show's title was Batgirl, not Batwoman. Seemed like a good opportunity to distinguish between the two characters.
And, yeah, I confess I deliberately out Cassie and Bette to avoid confusion. The Barbara Gordon version of Batgirl is still probably the best-known version. (We'll just forget about the movie where she was Alfred's niece.)
I've never been all that clear on what the deal was with Batwoman, but the impression I get is that she's to Batman what Spider-Woman is to Spider-Man: that is someone that shares a name and a general costume aesthetic and really little else. Is that impression accurate?
Regardless, that separation from the traditional "bat family" would certainly make the character more suitable for a TV show that doesn't want to have to explain where Bruce is every three episodes. On the other hand, I'd much rather see a Cassandra Cain & Barbara Gordon/Batgirl & Oracle show much more than a Batwoman show. Mostly because I have much more affection for those two and the teacher/student/legacy dynamic feels more promising from a dramatic standpoint. But also a little bit because I feel like Batwoman is kind of a conceptually wonky character. Neither one thing nor t'other. Trying to simultaneously posses and consume confectionery foodstuffs.
I mean imagine a show called "Superwoman" about someone that wears almost the exact same outfit as Kara, has the same powers but isn't Kryptonian and has nothing to do with Clark (no, I did not just describe Power Girl damnit!
) Feels kind of needlessly derivative and in the case of Batwoman, a little redundant what with the likes of Batgirl and Huntress already in the mix.
I'm not too familiar with either character, but I think Batwoman is somewhat more connected to Batman. She's Bruce Wayne's cousin, she operates in Gotham, she was inspired to follow Batman's example (though in her own independent way rather than as his protege), and her costume actually resembles Batman's somewhat, while you're pretty far off about Spider-Woman sharing a costume aesthetic with Spider-Man (although I think Spidey's black costume in the '80s was based on one of the Spider-Women's earlier costumes, but not the main one).
Also, Spider-Woman was created just to secure the trademark on the name and prevent Filmation from using it (they ended up naming their character Web-Woman instead). Her creation really had nothing to do with Spidey either in reality or in comics. Batwoman, the original '40s version, was created as a romantic interest for Batman to deter suspicions that he and Robin were gay lovers, making it ironic that the modern version is a lesbian icon.
Another distinction between Batman and Batwoman. Due to her military background, Kate can be a little more ruthless and/or pragmatic than Batman, being slightly more willing to use lethal force in extreme situations. Her personal sense of morality also edges more to the gray. She has more of a "ends justify the means" mentality, which occasionally brings her into conflict with Batman. (At least in the comics.)
Judging from the synopsis, the show will also be delving into her lost years. According to the comics, Kate went into a downward spiral after being kicked out of West Point and lost a few years to drinking, partying, and self-destructive behavior, before finally being inspired by Batman to get her act together and find a new way to protect people. Sounds like the TV version is embracing that part of her backstory.
Meanwhile, I wonder which of her adversaries from the comics will be imported to TV: The Church of Crime? The Many Hands of Death? Alice?
(I'll cop to having a soft spot for Kate ever since writing that book years ago.)
Judging from the synopsis, the show will also be delving into her lost years. According to the comics, Kate went into a downward spiral after being kicked out of West Point and lost a few years to drinking, partying, and self-destructive behavior, before finally being inspired by Batman to get her act together and find a new way to protect people. Sounds like the TV version is embracing that part of her backstory.
Meanwhile, I wonder which of her adversaries from the comics will be imported to TV: The Church of Crime? The Many Hands of Death? Alice?
(I'll cop to having a soft spot for Kate ever since writing that book years ago.)
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Maybe in this version, it'll be the Green Arrow, Flash, and Supergirl who set her straight? Although Batman will still have to be indirectly involved.
I'm still wondering if there's any chance the Berlanti Titans and Doom Patrol series could be in the Arrowverse, though I'm inclined to doubt it. But if they were, it would mean we were dealing with a point where Batman has been around long enough for Robin to have grown up and struck out on his own.
Is there a specific reason why Batwoman is so pale in the comics? I had always assumed it was make up she wore as part of her Batwoman costume, but then I was skimming through the first New 52 collection after I got it a couple weeks ago, and was surprised to see she looked like that out of costume too.
All that crimefighting at night tends to leave you with little time to get a tan.
I disagree, and honestly believe that if Batman were meant to exist in the universe of the show, he would've been referenced in the synopsis.
They both have the huge white eye pieces, web motif and red as a primary colour in the design. Despite the obvious differences, it's similar enough.
Purely aesthetic it seems. I think it's just a way to visually identify her from the other Bat Family designs and those three colours contrast with each other very well. Very bright red hair, lipstick and bat logo, against nearly albino white skin and an oily black outfit. It also seems to play into the character having a harsher, hard edged and more violent tone and outlook than the other characters. One might also suggest it alludes to the vampyric overtones what with the whole bat thing...but that might be a bit of a stretch.
I guess my main issue with this character is that if she has nothing much to do with Bruce, why crib his look? And if they don't even see eye to eye, why does he allow her to continue to operate as such?
I mean I know it's "because the editor says so" but from an in-universe perspective it seems very odd, especially since they made a whole thing in the comics about Bruce (figuratively) stripping Huntress of her bat costume when she tried to be the new Batgirl and screwed it up. He's usually very finicky about the "no killing" thing.