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[XCV330]

I pretty much assumed that he was the first 'Human/Vulcan Hybrid' in Star Fleet.
But technically, T'Pol (as far as we know) only ever served on board a Pre-Federation Earth spaceship and Burnham is a Human who lived with Vulcans.
So nothing so far, (that I can remember) has dissuaded me from believing that Spock wasn't the first Vulcan to serve on an actual Federation Star Fleet starship.


Addendum:
I forgot about the USS INTREPID (NCC-1631)...
Completely manned by Vulcans.
Though that set of circumstances could have evolved after Spock joined Star Fleet and went through the academy.

Enterprise was a Starfleet ship with an almost entirely human crew running under the aurothity of the UESPA.
Intrepid might have had a similar arrangement running under the aurothity of Vulcan Expeditionary Group.
That would imply the Tellarites, Andorians, etc might well have their own ships as well, which is why they aren't often seen.

 

[mos6507]

The Deltan concept was old man Roddenberry at his creepiest and most sex obsessed and best ignored.

IMHO, aliens with different culutral attitudes is what Star Trek is about. That it clashes with your attitudes is the whole point. If the show is effectively R rated then what's the problem?

 

[Longinus]

Oh chit I forgot about him also...
Bleah.

I really don't understand why you want to cling on this made up piece of background that hasn't jibed with what's seen on screen since 1968... What does it matter if Spock wasn't the first Vulcan in Strafleet?

 

[Lord Garth]

Boyce: "Eve as in Adam?"
Pike: "As in all ship's doctors are Dirty Old Men."

EDIT:

This old chestnut. Back in 2001, T'Bonz said that she found no reference in any TOS episode of Spock -- or anyone else onscreen -- ever saying he was the first Vulcan in Starfleet.

For the record: I never saw such a reference on TOS either.

 

[XCV330]

IMHO, aliens with different culutral attitudes is what Star Trek is about. That it clashes with your attitudes is the whole point. If the show is effectively R rated then what's the problem?

If there are different cultural attitudes, why would an entire species be forced to take a celibacy oath before signing on to a ship's crew? "Join Starfleet, Deltans. It's just like being a space nun!"

 

[Longinus]

Enterprise was a Starfleet ship with an almost entirely human crew running under the aurothity of the UESPA.
Intrepid might have had a similar arrangement running under the aurothity of Vulcan Expeditionary Group.
That would imply the Tellarites, Andorians, etc might well have their own ships as well, which is why they aren't often seen.

Yep. My impression based on TOS was that Starfleet at the time was more like NATO, each member government having their own ships working under unified command.

 

[Kor]

If there are different cultural attitudes, why would an entire species be forced to take a celibacy oath before signing on to a ship's crew? "Join Starfleet, Deltans. It's just like being a space nun!"

The background info said that intimacy with a Deltan was a radical experience that would effectively destroy the mind of a member of another species. It's not just an attitude.

Kor

 

[BillJ]

The background info said that intimacy with a Deltan was a radical experience that would effectively destroy the mind of a member of another species. It's not just an attitude.

I think @Christopher covered it in one of his Enterprise novels.

 

[Kemaiku]

I think @Christopher covered it in one of his Enterprise novels.

Oh yikes, yeah. When they burst into an orgy of mourning wasn't it?

 

[Kor]

I think @Christopher covered it in one of his Enterprise novels.

Now I must find this novel!

Oh yikes, yeah. When they burst into an orgy of mourning wasn't it?

On second thought, maybe I won't find this novel.

Kor

 

[mos6507]

The background info said that intimacy with a Deltan was a radical experience that would effectively destroy the mind of a member of another species. It's not just an attitude.

So what? You think space tardigrades aren't a little out there?

 

[Jinn]

I think @Christopher covered it in one of his Enterprise novels.

Having recently read that novel, a couple of crewmembers from the USS Essex went down were basically invited into an orgy and suffered the consequences as the Deltan's empathy powers or what it was that connected with the human partners drove them slightly mad.

Now I must find this novel!

Star Trek: Enterprise - Rise of the Federation: Uncertain Logic. Most of the novel is about other stuff though.

 

[Tuskin38]

I just remembered that Elon Musk is canon.

 

[XCV330]

The background info said that intimacy with a Deltan was a radical experience that would effectively destroy the mind of a member of another species. It's not just an attitude.

Kor

Seemed like Decker survived it at some point. Course later on he wanted to mate with Vger, so there's that.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Wow, Startrek.com mentions both of those things.

Who runs that site?

People who need to fill up a web site with information no matter what the source.

 

[Kor]

Seemed like Decker survived it at some point. Course later on he wanted to mate with Vger, so there's that.

I remember a while back somebody here on TrekBBS had the hypothesis that Decker's desire to join with V'Ger really came from years of frustration of never getting to be with Ilia physically. This was finally his chance!

Kor

 

[XCV330]

I remember a while back somebody here on TrekBBS had the hypothesis that Decker's desire to join with V'Ger really came from years of frustration of never getting to be with Ilia physically. This was finally his chance!

Kor

His dad wanted to "take this thing right down its throat" with a Doomsday Machine. I just figure the Deckers got deep seated issues I don't want to know about.

 

[XCV330]

Spock's quarters are in room 3F 125, just like in Amok Time!

But apparently everything gets heavily remodeled in the next decade.

Kor

He threw a lot of plomeek soup at those walls. Something had to be done after awhile.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I think @Christopher covered it in one of his Enterprise novels.

Dwellers in the Crucible did it about 30 years earlier. I was kinda squicked out by a human watching Deltan cousins going at it.

 

[Pauln6]

The background info said that intimacy with a Deltan was a radical experience that would effectively destroy the mind of a member of another species. It's not just an attitude.

Kor

It makes sense if the cause is pheromonal and the impact biochemical. We can see Ilia anaesthetising Chekov with a touch. You can go wibbly wobbly psychic powers or you can ask how do painkillers work and what other cause might there be? In TWoK novelisation, Deltan touch could induce pleasure or pain. Zinaida euthenases an injured colleague with a kiss. This could imply that Deltans are affecting brain chemistry and that repeated exposure drives one crazy.

Presumably one can counteract the negative effects medium term but overall it would be a no no, like mind-altering drugs.

I think there is some potential to have a supporting Deltan man or woman that everyone gossips about. Imagine Tilly with a crush on a Deltan. Some cheap laughs but with the potential to explore some harder sci fi (not a euphemism).