As I understand it, "the Mandela Effect" refers to a psychological phenomenon in which, yes, people's memories trick them. Nobody seriously thinks that reality is rewriting itself.
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As I understand it, "the Mandela Effect" refers to a psychological phenomenon in which, yes, people's memories trick them. Nobody seriously thinks that reality is rewriting itself.
People are split on that. Some make some quite compelling cases for something going on besides errors of memory.
The problem is, how would anyone know if reality was actually being rewritten? While I tend to side with the idea that it is a psychological effect - memories are notoriously unreliable - if there was actually a merging of two (extremely similar but with minor differences) universes how would one go about determining that? If the only thing that was left of the original two was some slightly divergent memories there'd be no way to test it and the obvious answer would be to put it down to a psychological effect.
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I saw Windwalker in the theater as a kid. I can't tell you the exact date but I was young enough that I didn't mind going to the theater with my folks, that puts it early 80s, and it was definately after we saw TMP and The Black Hole and before Raiders, so 1980-1981 sounds about right. Going to the movies was an event, I remember those. It wasn't an early 1970's film.
I have seen 14 films in theaters, total. An 'event'? Yeah, you're damn skippy.
This is the list, in the chronological order that I saw them. By 1979, I was only going to theaters for sci-fi. Everything else I was waiting on to come to tv. If I didn't go to the theater to see John Wayne's 'The Shootist' in 1976, I sure as hell would not have gone to see Windwalker in 1981. It would have held zero interest for me at that point in time.
Big Jake
Windwalker
A Bridge Too Far
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century
Star Wars (second re-release, with trailer for The Empire Strikes Back)
Star Trek: The Motion Picture
The Empire Strikes Back
The Final Countdown
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (with trailer for Megaforce)
Megaforce
Return of the Jedi
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
That's puzzling. I wonder if maybe it was filmed much earlier, had a limited release and then got canned for a long time. That's not impossible. I have no idea. I remember really liking that movie. There weren't many movies about Native American movies that weren't cowboys-and-indians, if any. In fact it and Apocalypto are all I can think of now.
You're sure it wasn't Little Big Man?
Positive. I have read that, seen the movie, and read the sequel. Windwalker was NOTHING like that.
As has been said, the filming time for Windwalker, here, has been well-established.
I go through this kind of thing all the time....more and more as the years go by. This....divergence from what was. My wife sees it, too. I always ask her what she remembers about something, before I mention what I remember, as a test. We go through incredible amounts of deja vu, synchronicity, and a lot of other weirdness.
I think people are, in general, far too conditioned by current mainstream science to just accept what they are told without questioning....yet quantum science is investigating parallel universes and the like.
This is possible over here....but that is not possible over there.
That's a bit of a contradiction.
Well I definately could not have seen it in 1970. Wasn't alive yet. So yeah, maybe early release and then into the can. That's fascinating.
Nope....filming and release as normal here, but different in the other timeline that I remember.
Just because tour brain misremembers something doesn't mean there's anything going on other than that your brain did a bad lob with its citations and hyperlinks.
I think outside the gravity well that current mainstream science tries to toss me into.
Occam's Razor applies here. The simplest explanation--a memory glitch--is more probable than some bizarre theory about parallel universes.
People "remember" being abducted and anally probed by aliens, too. Or being the reincarnation of Cleopatra or Vlad the Impaler. Memories are notoriously unreliable--as any prosecutor or defense attorney can testify.
People "remember" being abducted and anally probed by aliens, too. Or being the reincarnation of Cleopatra or Vlad the Impaler. Memories are notoriously unreliable--as any prosecutor or defense attorney can testify.
When I was in a writing class in college, the teacher had a couple of the drama students unexpectedly burst into the room, have a quick scuffle, and then chase each other out again. Right after they left, the teacher said, "Okay, everyone write down what you saw, right now!"
There was a great deal of variance in our accounts, and it was something we'd all just seen. Some folks remembered one of the guys pulling out a knife, one remembered him pulling a gun. Witness accounts can be notoriously unreliable, especially when it's an unexpected or traumatic event.
Maybe the rememberer got switched with a mirror universe version of him/herself but isn't aware of it.
Or maybe there's a vast conspiracy to make us think falsely about Windwalker.
Or maybe he or she is misremembering. There's plenty of people REALLY remembering events, how they smelt, felt, etc. And then it is proved that they weren't there and constructed memories from hearing other people or seeing family movies, etc. It's one reason torture is a bad idea -- people will construct really false, totally vivid memories, to give the torturer something, so they will stop. The torturee really believes them, Because they are as real as any normal memories, just not of anything that actually happened.
That Mandela Effect thing, though, I actually get a lot of those correct (Berenstain Bears, no "Beam me up, Scotty" in Trek). Those things are only misremembered by many but not all of us, and it depends on the item. That would require a number of us to be from all slightly different universes with different details altered, but most the same. So I might get Mandela right, say, and "Berenstain," and the Scotty quote right, but someone else would get 2 of the 3, another would get a different 2, someone else would get zero. We'd all have to be from different universes who ended up "here."
Not too likely IMHO.
Or maybe there's a vast conspiracy to make us think falsely about Windwalker.
Or maybe he or she is misremembering. There's plenty of people REALLY remembering events, how they smelt, felt, etc. And then it is proved that they weren't there and constructed memories from hearing other people or seeing family movies, etc. It's one reason torture is a bad idea -- people will construct really false, totally vivid memories, to give the torturer something, so they will stop. The torturee really believes them, Because they are as real as any normal memories, just not of anything that actually happened.
That Mandela Effect thing, though, I actually get a lot of those correct (Berenstain Bears, no "Beam me up, Scotty" in Trek). Those things are only misremembered by many but not all of us, and it depends on the item. That would require a number of us to be from all slightly different universes with different details altered, but most the same. So I might get Mandela right, say, and "Berenstain," and the Scotty quote right, but someone else would get 2 of the 3, another would get a different 2, someone else would get zero. We'd all have to be from different universes who ended up "here."
Not too likely IMHO.
Occam's Razor is a useful tool for scientific study. It points the researcher towards the simplest explanation as the first thing to test. But it doesn't rule out other possibilities. Memory glitch is absolutely more probably than parallel universes. Especially given how notoriously unreliable memory is. But more probable doesn't mean definitely. And so while I happily accept faulty memory as a reason for remembering things different from reality, it still doesn't definitively rule out other possibilities.
That seems to be begging the question, presuming that if alternate universes were interacting with our own, the only disturbance they would make would be that certain people's memories -- which are encoded in physical, neurochemical processes -- would be affected (or unaffected). And why would something so empirically malleable and error-prone be regarded as a reliable reference point in evaluating such a question?
OTOH, there is a lot that is understood about memory faults and erroneous "corrections" to memory, and neuroscience is finding out more about how it works all the time. This "alternate universe" idea that has had its moment in the sun in the last year or two has a pretty high scientific burden of proof, and nothing I've seen looks like it's close to meeting it.
The frontier of quantum science is looking into that very thing.
This is all a bit like saying parallel universes might exist but it's impossible that we could be interacting with them here or that they could have any influence on our own.
Best to keep an open mind, when we don't know.
"Mainstream" science is a very fleeting thing. As such, it shouldn't attempt to set itself apart as something superior and basically tell the layperson 'Sit down, we've got this'....as if the average person does not have the capacity to even begin to intelligently evaluate happenings in his or her own life, but that science will save the day and pull them out of their uninformed and valueless musings.
That is called arrogance.
When mainstream science insists upon conducting matters in the same manner as in centuries past, without keeping an open mind, it amounts to this:
That is called arrogance.
When mainstream science insists upon conducting matters in the same manner as in centuries past, without keeping an open mind, it amounts to this:
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