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Special relationship UK & US (a myth?)

We could discuss this further in private, if you like. Otherwise, how about keeping to the topic of USA/UK relations ...
 
The UK - Long Live the Empire - not.

Its days of colonisation and telling the rest of the world what to think, believe and do have long since passed. You've been replaced. As for special relations, they are only as strong as their strongest link. The UK follows the USA like the rest of us, except right now the USA is not overly interested in carrying around dead weight, lol.
 
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We are doing, specifically how far from reality your opinions on the subject are. Your joke of a president is visiting us completely unwanted later this week. We gave Obama the warmest most respectful welcome we had available, whereas Trump is the subject of protests, insults and a giant inflatable of him wearing a diaper. We're by and large embarrassed and ashamed to be associated with the current administration and few countries particularly feel differently. This your "special relationship" is a joke no one buys into or wants when your administration is such an outdated, inhumane and archaic debacle run by a caveman with self esteem issues and the mental capacity of a retarded gorilla.

And I'm fine out here thanks.
 
By the way hearing anyone from the UK dare use the term 'war mongering' is flying in the face of human history.
 
Your leaders know their wagon's hitched to a star. Like any marriage, there are problems to be worked out. But as long as the USA has nuclear-armed submarines, no country in its right mind is gonna screw with us. We're the world's cops. We're always there to save the day, when there's natural disasters and the American people are especially generous ... we always have been.

What in the everloving fuck are you babbling about?
 
In America's relationship with Britain, Uncle Sam wears the pants. England has always followed the lead of the U.S. and why shouldn't it do? It's got everything to gain ...
That's rather blunt but I think reflective. I don't think England or Great Britain or the UK or Mother England has always followed the lead of the US, they just did that when the US became more powerful and influential than they are.
 
Your leaders know their wagon's hitched to a star. Like any marriage, there are problems to be worked out. But as long as the USA has nuclear-armed submarines, no country in its right mind is gonna screw with us. We're the world's cops. We're always there to save the day, when there's natural disasters and the American people are especially generous ... we always have been.

It's this kind of attitude that garners the USA a bad rep around the world. Other countries react equally as well to aiding other countries when it comes to natural disasters, their citizens are equally generous yet they don't feel the need to make a point of highlighting the fact.

As for the UK/US relationship how warm it is can depend on how the individuals in charge get on.
 
That's rather blunt but I think reflective. I don't think England or Great Britain or the UK or Mother England has always followed the lead of the US, they just did that when the US became more powerful and influential than they are.

Sadly you are right, our leaders are well aware of the pragmatism involved in swallowing their pride and doing the wrong thing to curry favour.

Doesn't make it any less disgusting or lend any legitimacy to the idea of America being genuine world leaders, not unless leadership is defined simply by firepower.
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-37762753

According to the BBC, the USA is strangely the SECOND most generous country in the world ... but, at least, we're more generous than Australia ... and way more generous than Canada.

Canada is also not in the habit of invading countries left right and centre, killing and displacing their citizens and bringing chaos and misery to whole swathes of the world which had no desire to be "liberated". Do you have any idea how ashamed many of us are knowing our own leaders followed yours so many times into these disasters?
 
I actually don't find most of American values disgusting and have many compatible values with the UK as well. When I scour the world stage there are far worse out there.
 
America as the world leader its been since, I don't know .. .forever, I guess.

Since Britain bunged it a ton of money and defence contracts in ww2 and had to put up with it doing things like patenting antibiotics cos there was a buck to be made. No war, no war economy, no recovery for the US Economy. That and the second and third industrial revolution (petrochemical, electronic) and Britain was just plain tired and spent. The older, puritanical, offspring took up a mantle, and went to war with its cousin Russia. Now the adopted children in the Far East...or more accurately the wives I suppose, to stretch a metaphor...fancy a go, having got sick of the children throwing their toys all over the place.
 
Why shouldn't it... Well, maybe to not be pressured into committing to a hugely expensive, poorly planned failure of a war with incoherent goals and based on phony intelligence. That seems like a pretty good reason to me.
The scuttlebutt is that Blair was the most enthusiastic one and was in George's ear pushing for it.

Which is worse...

America as the world leader its been since, I don't know .. .forever, I guess.

Since it leveraged our post war bankruptcy and staggering debt to America for its aid in WWII to take many of our military outposts and our place in the world stage. I think we finished paying you back sometime in the 1990's.

You're welcome.
 
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Do you have any idea how ashamed many of us are knowing our own leaders followed yours so many times into these disasters?
Do you know how weird that comes across?? I mean what the hell? You do know your own history, lol. The Empire didn't make itself.
 
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Other countries which could have been considered world leaders (due to their power) to name just a few

Rome
France
Spain
The UK

Next world leaders are likely to be

China
India

Yup, it's merely a question of who is in the ascendancy at any given time, inevitably painting themselves as the voices of legitimacy to civilise a world that clearly couldn't manage without them dropping bombs in the name of hummanitarianism. The U.S is nothing special, merely the current king of the ant hill and showing every sign of joining all those other empires in living off faded and past glories.
 
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