Okay, this is reasonable.
I've repeatedly stated that I would like TOS sources only. Enterprise has nothing to do with TOS.
When Trek insults our intelligence
- Thread starter F. King Daniel
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Fandom because canon? Because I'm still curious as to where the original assumption came from. Need to reread "I Am Spock."
'It was believed...' vs 'It was established'. Spock being the first Vulcan in Starfleet is one of those charming little pieces of background "fanon" that has somehow taken on a life of it's own and become accepted, where there is no concrete evidence of it on screen at all. See also every time the Okudas use the word "Conjecture" in their chronology for everything from important events to character's birthdays, yet despite this little word being basically a "We made up stuff because we like the sound of it but you're free to disagree", most of fandom accepts these conjectures as 'fact' and get annoyed when a later screen outing "contradicts" a so-called fact that was never, in actual fact, ever actually established. 
'It was believed...' vs 'It was established'. Spock being the first Vulcan in Starfleet is one of those charming little pieces of background "fanon" that has somehow taken on a life of it's own and become accepted, where there is no concrete evidence of it on screen at all. See also every time the Okudas use the word "Conjecture" in their chronology for everything from important events to character's birthdays, yet despite this little word being basically a "We made up stuff because we like the sound of it but you're free to disagree", most of fandom accepts these conjectures as 'fact' and get annoyed when a later screen outing "contradicts" a so-called fact that was never, in actual fact, ever actually established.
Well said.
Everyone can have their own head canon (I still like to think Picard is Wesley's real dad!
). But wanting it to be so, doesn't make it so.T'Pol was the first Vulcan in Starfleet. Period. That's a fact (well, as much as anything can be a "fact" in a TV universe).
At least, until someone retcons it.
I still like to think Picard is Wesley's real dad!
Now...that one I do have a problem with.
Not only is Picard not a homewrecker (he wouldn't sleep with Beverly while she's still married to Jack), but surely birth control in the 24th century will have advanced to the point where it is absolutely 100% effective.
Meaning, Wesley couldn't be the accidental result of a Picard/Beverly fling, because there would be no more unplanned pregnancies.
I sometimes wonder if the ‘dumb’ part of that hackneyed phrase, actually comes from suggesting it is mute, has nothing to say, no deeper meaning as such.
Following a transporter accident, Jack was rendered infertile and asked Picard to step into the breach as it were....
Oh god. It started as a joke and now it’s fanfic.
By Tuesday it will be fanon.
A year from now Stewart, McFadden and Wheaton will be acting the scenes and then...
I should think that 24th-century medical technology would also eliminate infertility.
Trek was covering body dysmorphia before it was cool to do so. Would make an excellent short story, a man and woman being rebuilt entirely from their own self image in order to propagate the species. Maybe I will find the time to write it, though it could be a bit plagiarised.
That’s why there was a transporter accident to do it. Future tech always nullifies other future tech, except when alien physiology does the job, both for plot reasons.
That's what my Tuvok time travel story is all about. He goes back in time and ends up becoming the first Vulcan in Starfleet, while simultaneously being the oldest Vulcan.Well said.
Everyone can have their own head canon (I still like to think Picard is Wesley's real dad!
T'Pol was the first Vulcan in Starfleet. Period. That's a fact (well, as much as anything can be a "fact" in a TV universe).
At least, until someone retcons it.
Even in the future, I wonder if anyone would claim something works "100% of the time." Especially regarding transporters
Also, are we assuming that there are still labels such as "homewrecker" in the 24th century?
Perhaps, but I have yet to see it argued as such. But, you might be right.
Medical technology probably would.
Why wouldn't there be? This isn't Brave New World. There still are relationships, and love, and marriage.
As for Picard: Sure, he is in love with Beverly, probably from the moment they met. But she was already with Jack by then. So being the man of honor he is, Picard didn't talk about or act on any of this until long after Jack's death.
Because they are more evolved and have love instructors. Just idle speculation on my part, perhaps even a bit reckless.
^ Of course there are a lot of different kinds of relationships, even today. And by Trek's time, even newer ones would exist, that may seem incomprehensible to us. But just because new kinds of relationships are invented doesn't mean the old ones go away.
"Love instructors", though...unless that's a reference to sex therapists (which is a legitimate profession), now THAT's an insult to our intelligence. Especially if you go by Gene's old theory that Jim Kirk was named after his mother's "love instructor". George and Winona did not strike me as the kind of wusses who'd need to be taught how to love.
Although I suppose a love instructor could be something like a dating coach, matchmaker, marriage broker, things like that. Maybe "James" was just the guy who set up George and Winona on their first date?
"Love instructors", though...unless that's a reference to sex therapists (which is a legitimate profession), now THAT's an insult to our intelligence.
Especially if you go by Gene's old theory that Jim Kirk was named after his mother's "love instructor". George and Winona did not strike me as the kind of wusses who'd need to be taught how to love. Although I suppose a love instructor could be something like a dating coach, matchmaker, marriage broker, things like that. Maybe "James" was just the guy who set up George and Winona on their first date?
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"Water is wet, the sky is blue, women have secrets."....Joe Hallenbeck, 'The Last Boyscout'.
Whose to say that they weren't all fooling around together? Even now, there are open marriages. Who knows how the institution is seen in the 24th century?
Gene knew.
Certainly, but that doesn't mean terms like "homewrecker" stick around either.
